looking at the website photos, the balls look similar. The CF photo is a little larger...I'm sure Charles can make any size you want...I have an ebony hammer he made me and I really like it...
David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA 94044
Original message
From: "Jurgen Goering"
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Received: 2/20/2008 6:46:53 PM
Subject: Re: CF carbon fiber lever
I am planning to get Charles to make me a custom tuning lever using some ebony I have. I was just thinking of getting his standard (up to now) titanium shaft. Do you think the carbon shaft is that much superior? The head on the carbon tool seems a bit big and bulky (it is a lot bigger than on the titanium shaft) - does that interfere with sight lines when moving the tool for pin to pin? Jurgen Goering On Feb 20, 2008, at 18:02, pianotech-request at ptg.org wrote: Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to pianotech at ptg.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pianotech-request at ptg.org You can reach the person managing the list at pianotech-owner at ptg.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Grand Piano drop screw tool? (Joe And Penny Goss) 2. Re: Lunar Drama - OT (paulrevenkojones at aol.com) 3. Re: CF carbon fiber lever (David Andersen) 4. Re: Lunar Drama - OT (Farrell) 5. Grand pianos for sale to rebuild (Rob & Helen Goodale) 6. Re: CF carbon fiber lever (Kent Swafford) 7. RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. ( Right?) (Don) 8. RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. ( Right?) (Don) 9. Re: Lunar Drama - OT (Avery Todd) 10. Re: Vintage Piano Shop (Avery Todd) 0000,0000,0000 From: "Joe And Penny Goss" < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 17:15:28 PST 0000,0000,0000To: "Pianotech List" < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Grand Piano drop screw tool? 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < The tool is made by Jahn Joe Goss RPT Mother Goose Tools imatunr at srvinet.com www.mothergoosetools.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Swafford" < To: < ; "Pianotech List" < Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Grand Piano drop screw tool? Same tool. With some difficulty I was able to narrow the blade inside the barrel so it would fit the tiny drop screw slots. I suppose it's possible that Pianotek later started making the tool with a properly narrowed blade -- hope so. Kent On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Alan Barnard wrote: Nice thumb shot, Kent! This is the tool I have <<1.jpg> Is it the same one? Mine has a slotted end and a driver end, both with "shields" around them to keep the tool from slipping off the screw. But the collars, or shields, don't seem quite as fat, proportionally, as the one in your picture. Anyway, I don't quite understand what you did to modify yours, based on the picture. Some beveling? Alan Barnard Salem, MO 0000,0000,0000 From: paulrevenkojones at aol.com 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 17:20:08 PST 0000,0000,0000To: pianotech at ptg.org 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < ArialNahhh. I'm going to go look at the eclipse (I love cosmic stuff!) even though up here we have a heat wave--it's maybe 6 above with windchill putting it at 5 below. Do you know that word, Terry? Windchill? Say "windchill". Sucks all of the moisture right out of you! ArialOh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!? -----Original Message----- From: Farrell < To: Pianotech List < Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 7:03 pm Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT ArialOh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!? ArialTerry Farrell Arial ----- Original Message ----- Arial Ah, well, ok, but it's more painful to put your foot in your mouth with shoes on, Terry! Always be prepared, I say! :-) -----Original Message----- Arial 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEmono/TLE2008Feb21/TLE2008Feb21.html ArialBig show in the sky tonight. Don't miss it! ArialShow begins at 8:43 PM EST and gets into full swing at 10:01 PM. ArialPut down those hand planes, turn off your CNC router, pack away your regulating tools for the night, grab a beer and a lounge chair and sit back and watch the show! ArialI reckon those much north of Tampa, might consider putting on a jacket or something. I mean don't worry, it's pretty darn cold here too. I just checked the temp outside and the mercury has plummeted to 66 degrees F. Heck, I might even put shoes on tonight..... Arial ;-) Arial (all in good fun!) ArialTerry Farrell More new features than ever. Check out the new 0000,0000,EEEEAOL Mail! 0000,0000,0000 From: David Andersen < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 17:03:03 PST 0000,0000,0000To: Pianotech List < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: CF carbon fiber lever 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < I'll weigh in here....I've been using a prototype like yours, Kent, from Charles Faulk, for about the same amount of time; I had exclusively used his titanium lever for the 3 years prior; I immediately fell even more in love with the carbon lever, and refused to send it back. < I highly, highly recommend the carbon fiber lever; it's like touching your lover's face with surgical gloves on, rather than the work gloves of normal levers---the pin sensitivity is just off the charts. 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/ BTW I also used Dale Erwin's Fujan lever to tune at Disney Hall a couple months ago---and I loved it too. I just think Charlie's tool looks prettier, and I like it a little better....a carbon fiber lever should be your next "big" tool purchase. David Andersen On Feb 20, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Kent Swafford wrote: I've been using a prototype of a new tuning lever since October. It has a 5/8" carbon fiber shaft, a custom handle, and a full-sleeve aluminum head. The lever is long but still light-weight. The tubular head provides for a very stiff overall feel. I wasn't in the market for a new lever, but I ended up asking to purchase the prototype because I liked it so much. You can see the production version at: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/ Just a happy customer, Kent Swafford < 0000,0000,0000 From: "Farrell" < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 17:40:01 PST 0000,0000,0000To: "Pianotech List" < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < ArialWe don't have wind chill down in these here parts. We have the "feels-like" temperature. As in, it's only 92 degrees out, but because it is so humid, it "feels-like" it's 99 degrees. ArialHey, the weather is absolutely perfect here right now. Ask me how much I luvin' the south in July. You might find I'm singing another tune! ArialTerry Farrell Arial ----- Original Message ----- Arial From: Arial 0000,0000,EEEE paulrevenkojones at aol.com Arial To: Arial 0000,0000,EEEE pianotech at ptg.org Arial Sent: Arial Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:20 PM Arial Subject: Arial Re: Lunar Drama - OT ArialNahhh. I'm going to go look at the eclipse (I love cosmic stuff!) even though up here we have a heat wave--it's maybe 6 above with windchill putting it at 5 below. Do you know that word, Terry? Windchill? Say "windchill". Sucks all of the moisture right out of you! ArialOh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!? -----Original Message----- From: Farrell < To: Pianotech List < Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 7:03 pm Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT ArialOh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!? ArialTerry Farrell Arial ----- Original Message ----- Arial Ah, well, ok, but it's more painful to put your foot in your mouth with shoes on, Terry! Always be prepared, I say! :-) -----Original Message----- Arial 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEmono/TLE2008Feb21/TLE2008Feb21.html ArialBig show in the sky tonight. Don't miss it! ArialShow begins at 8:43 PM EST and gets into full swing at 10:01 PM. ArialPut down those hand planes, turn off your CNC router, pack away your regulating tools for the night, grab a beer and a lounge chair and sit back and watch the show! ArialI reckon those much north of Tampa, might consider putting on a jacket or something. I mean don't worry, it's pretty darn cold here too. I just checked the temp outside and the mercury has plummeted to 66 degrees F. Heck, I might even put shoes on tonight..... Arial ;-) Arial (all in good fun!) ArialTerry Farrell More new features than ever. Check out the new 0000,0000,EEEEAOL Mail! 0000,0000,0000 From: "Rob & Helen Goodale" < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 17:46:14 PST 0000,0000,0000To: "Pianotech List" < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Grand pianos for sale to rebuild 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Rob & Helen Goodale < , Pianotech List < Arial Hello, Arial I have a couple pianos I'd like to clear out of my shop. I would really prefer to rebuild them but I really need the space right now and I've got enough projects going that I don't know when I'll have time to get to them. They are very rebuildable and should become fine pianos. Arial The first is a Baldwin #17391. It is 6' 3" which I believe makes it a model "L". Case is black, no bench. It requires a full rebuild but it should be a real honey of a piano when completed. It is currently on it's side but I remember it having a very big sound even as it is. This should make a great rebuild job and easy to sell to a professional. Price is $3,000 firm. Arial The second is a 5' 4" Knabe. The piano is on it's side between two others so I can't really get a good look at the serial number but suffice it to say that it is most likely 1920s. It also requires rebuilding. It was formally an Ampico player which is no longer present but that has no consequence on it as a regular piano. Technically it is the same as the equivalent model without. Again it has a good sound even as-is but should become a fantastic piano when rebuilt. Price is $2,000 firm. Arial Buyer pays shipping but I will be happy to make all necessary arrangements at this end including local pick-up and transfer to keyboard carriage. This is a great opportunity to snatch up a couple of nice rebuildable pianos at a fair price. They deserve to be in the hands of a good rebuilder and then to a new happy home. Arial Hurry, first come - first sold! Arial Rob Goodale, RPT Arial Las Vegas, NV 0000,0000,0000 From: Kent Swafford < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 17:48:23 PST 0000,0000,0000To: Pianotech List < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: CF carbon fiber lever 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < I've been wondering who the other beta testers were. Great to hear you were as impressed as I was. Kent On Feb 20, 2008, at 7:03 PM, David Andersen wrote: I'll weigh in here....I've been using a prototype like yours, Kent, from Charles Faulk, for about the same amount of time; I had exclusively used his titanium lever for the 3 years prior; I immediately fell even more in love with the carbon lever, and refused to send it back. < I highly, highly recommend the carbon fiber lever; it's like touching your lover's face with surgical gloves on, rather than the work gloves of normal levers---the pin sensitivity is just off the charts. 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/ BTW I also used Dale Erwin's Fujan lever to tune at Disney Hall a couple months ago---and I loved it too. I just think Charlie's tool looks prettier, and I like it a little better....a carbon fiber lever should be your next "big" tool purchase. David Andersen On Feb 20, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Kent Swafford wrote: I've been using a prototype of a new tuning lever since October. It has a 5/8" carbon fiber shaft, a custom handle, and a full-sleeve aluminum head. The lever is long but still light-weight. The tubular head provides for a very stiff overall feel. I wasn't in the market for a new lever, but I ended up asking to purchase the prototype because I liked it so much. You can see the production version at: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/ Just a happy customer, Kent Swafford < 0000,0000,0000 From: Don < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 19:57:28 PST 0000,0000,0000To: Pianotech List < 0000,0000,0000Subject: RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. ( Right?) 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < Hi Dean, I agree with your lack of encounters. If someone would post results from a properly controlled room, then we would know. For now I believe that properly serviced DC systems in pianos with covers blow away any hivac controlled piano room as far as pitch stability goes. At 05:31 PM 2/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: I think you may be technically correct, a properly
controlled
room is the best, I just never encounter such a room in the real world. Dean Regards, Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat mailto:pianotuna at yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner 0000,0000,0000 From: Don < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 19:49:27 PST 0000,0000,0000To: Pianotech List < 0000,0000,0000Subject: RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. ( Right?) 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < Hi Dean, That would vary with your location. I do not say DC's without covers don't work--just that they work much better. Bottom covers vs no bottom covers here is some data. 2006 02 pitch correction between 9.4 cents (A4) worst note 20 cents (bottom cover removed by client's cat some time after 2005 02 {DC install since 1992 6 foot grand}) 2007 02 pitch correction between 3.3 cents (A4), worst note 9.4 cents (bottom cover put in place one month before tuning in 2007) 2008 02 pitch correction between 1.9 (A4), worst note 4.5 cents I have no clients with string covers, so I have no data. I do encourage my clients to fully close the lid. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. I'd dearly love to do installs with both string covers and bottom covers. At 05:16 PM 2/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: I have years of anecdotal evidence on scores of installations that say otherwise. Perhaps a string cover increases their effectiveness, but on many of my installations I dont know how. Im talking about pianos that had +/- 25 cent seasonal variation that went to +/- 2. Dean 10:26 AM Regards, Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat mailto:pianotuna at yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner 0000,0000,0000 From: "Avery Todd" < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 18:01:40 PST 0000,0000,0000To: "Pianotech List" < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < Too many clouds in Houston tonight to be able to see it! Avery Todd On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Farrell << 0000,0000,EEEEmfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote: Arial 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEmono/TLE2008Feb21/TLE2008Feb21.html ArialBig show in the sky tonight. Don't miss it! ArialShow begins at 8:43 PM EST and gets into full swing at 10:01 PM. ArialPut down those hand planes, turn off your CNC router, pack away your regulating tools for the night, grab a beer and a lounge chair and sit back and watch the show! ArialI reckon those much north of Tampa, might consider putting on a jacket or something. I mean don't worry, it's pretty darn cold here too. I just checked the temp outside and the mercury has plummeted to 66 degrees F. Heck, I might even put shoes on tonight..... Arial ;-) Arial (all in good fun!) ArialTerry Farrell ArialFarrell Piano Arial 0000,0000,EEEEwww.farrellpiano.com Arial 0000,0000,EEEEterry at farrellpiano.com 0000,0000,0000 From: "Avery Todd" < 0000,0000,0000Date: February 20, 2008 17:55:49 PST 0000,0000,0000To: "Pianotech List" < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Vintage Piano Shop 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Pianotech List < That's one reason I like doing work for the dealer in Beaumont. He pays me when I get through and then I go home! Love it! Avery Todd On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM, David Doremus << 0000,0000,EEEEalgiers_piano at bellsouth.net> wrote: No pay, thats the problem. I have had very slow paying dealers in the last 2 years but always eventually got payed, except for one where I didnt bill them because I felt obligated to tell the customer that he'd bought a pig in a piano shape, that was a painful moment but he really had been taken. Now so many people are buying pianos over the internet, which I dont get, it's like buying shoes, no two pairs fit the same. I get a lot of calls for warranty work, tunings, set up etc and right now at least I just dont need the aggravation unless I can have my money in a timely manner.... --Dave New Orleans Phil Bondi wrote: > > Are you not being compensated? That would be another story. > > -Phil Bondi(Fl) > > > David Doremus wrote: >> Anyone out there had any dealings with them? I swear Im not doing any >> more work for out of town dealers unless I get paid up front.... >> >> --Dave >> New Orleans >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Pianotech list info https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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