Ric: Surely you jest. Virgil has posited the existence of "natural" beats as theological principle, not a scientific one. He would as surely reject your representation of his perception as he has rejected all representations that do not partake of his modality of hearing. It is a totally circularly intertwined form of "secret knowledge" argument, no argument at all when you come down to it, since who can argue with "secret knowledge"? I speak from direct personal experience here, since Virgil did at one time in our conversation claim that god told him what to hear. It stopped me cold then, and stops me cold now. :-) Paul In a message dated 3/10/2009 1:40:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ricb at pianostemmer.no writes: I've been reading back and forth and depending on how I read what I find it really difficult to be in disagreement with any of the apparently (to some degree at least) opposing views here. Clearly Virgil and guys like David Andersen can demonstrate aurally wonderful tunings... and they claim they are listening to some kind of beat phenomena that is apart from the simple beats produced by coincident pairs. There is clearly a kind of sub-level beat produced when several coincident pairs inter-react as is the case in playing octaves, double octaves... etc. I posted a graph of this a few years back produced on a wave program I have. And this sub beat changes amplitude and rate depending on how all the partials line up. Perhaps this is what these folks are hearing... perhaps not... its small in amplitude compared to the simple beats of partials. Its all very interesting to be sure... Cheers RicB I would disagree with Virgil about where beats come from. Of course, they come from coincident partials. But it is true that one can tune extremely well without listening for specific coincidental partials. However, one can still benefit from the concept of listening musically. Just relax and let the "force" guide you. <G> OK, all kidding aside, if you do relax and listen for the sweet spot, you will hear it eventually. Assuming you have good lever technique. You also need to learn how to setthe middle string slightly above that sweet spot so that when the otherstrings are tuned to the middle, the pitch is correct for all three strings sounding together. (Pitch does change somewhat when unisons are tuned to the middle string.) David Andersen, I'd like to attend the tuning soirée in GR. Would it be during a normal class time, or after hours? -- JF **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090310/d1bae6e3/attachment-0001.html>
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