[pianotech] Old can of worms (was Re: tunelab vs verituner)

[tnrwim at aol.com]

SO, YES, PEOPLE, I do do a certain amount of checks - just not specifically the 
aural tuning" checks.
Duaine

Well Duanie, what do you think you're listening to when you tune an octave? Don't you "here"  a wow wow of some sort?  I'm not sure if you realize it, but that is what we refer to as the beats. 
 
Reminds me of a story my dad told me once. A "big city" tuner drove across the country, and stopped in a diner in a small town in the middle of the prairie. He saw a piano in the corner, and made a deal with the owner of the place, to tune the piano for a couple of meals and a room to stay in. As he was tuning the piano he noticed a guy sitting in the corner, watching his every move. After a while the tuner asked him what he was doing. He said. "I'm the local tuner, and I went to one of them convention once, where they talked about beats in the piano. When I got home, I just about took the whole piano apart looking for the beats, but could never find any. I can hear them, but I can't see them."

Maybe the reason you can't "here" the beats is because you don't know what to listen for. Play a C3 -0 E3 third, and tell me what you hear. If the piano is tuned properly, it's called the natural vibrato of the piano.  

Wim


 



-----Original Message-----
From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net>
To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Old can of worms (was Re: tunelab vs verituner)


On 05/10/2012 04:07 PM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote:

     I see where you are headed BUT you are embarking on the wrong path .......

     These customers ONLY believe in getting there pianos tuned once ever 2-20 
ears

     And, its only so badly out-of-tune, even they can't stand it !

     I've even be told either (a) it hasn't been tuned in over 20+ years (b) 
t's
     never been tuned.

     Nice try..............

     Duaine

 Duaine
 You've not answered my question. You said you don't understand how to set a 
emperament. I want to know why you don't 
 want to learn that. It's one thing to rely solely on your ETD, which is fine 
f that's the way you want to tune, and 
 you seem to think it's making your customers happy when they see you once 
very 10 years. But the question remains, 
 why don't you want to understand how a temperament works? I'm not asking for 
ou to learn to set an temperament 
 aurally. But don't you at least want to know what's involved in setting one?
FIRST TAKE NOTE:
Tuning a piano is a walk in the breeze compared to tuning a Reed Organ. For 
hose, if the note is SHARP you have to - 
crap - away enough BRASS from the BASE of the reed. If the note is FLAT, you 
ave to - scrap - away enough BRASS from 
he TIP of the reed. - which - means taking the reed in and out of the reed 
ell, every time you need to make an 
djustment. AND then play the note long enough to make sure the note does not 
tart "rolling" - meaning that the notes 
re so close that it takes a long time for it start a "beat" (AKA, PERFECT)
And, yes, I use Cybertuner, there is NO stretch in reed organs.
Also, for tuning a "Celeste" stop, the base set of reeds has to be absolutely 
ERFECT before you can tune the Celeste 
eeds. Now for the hard part, which is why I use the Cybertuner, as you know, 
he higher the note the faster that notes' 
eat. (AKA cycles per second) Well, with the two reeds played together make a 
ertain beat rate (aka Celeste). Now, 
ithout a computer, you would have to set there and for each set of notes count 
he beats AND constantly comparing the 
ote you are tuning with each neighbor. But with Cybertuner, I just create a 
eleste tuning file with each respective 
otes' offset and proceed to tune that set of reeds. Now, when that is done, you 
ave a perfect Celeste tuning.
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Well, here we go again with this !!!!!
In temperament tuning, we have to be able to the here the BEATS. I can here 
eats as far as tuning unisons. However, 
rying to here beats between two notes is impossible.
WHEN I WAS, at my last convention, I took Jim Coleman Sr. class for begging 
ural tuning. I don't know if it was the 
coustics or the piano but I just could not here a thing.
So at that point I gave it up forever !!!!!
 Another question I asked once when this subject came up before. You said that 
fter you've tuned the whole piano, if 
 there are a few unisons that are out, you can touch them up by ear. That's 
reat to know. But there are three strings 
 for a unison. How do you know which one of those three strings is at the right 
itch? Or do you just match the outside 
 strings to the middle one, and call it "in tune"?
Well, so I don't have to repeat myself again for the umpteenth time, I do an 
ctave test on the middle string first, 
hen go from there.
SO, YES, PEOPLE, I do do a certain amount of checks - just not specifically the 
aural tuning" checks.
Duaine
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uaine Hechler
iano, Player Piano, Pump Organ
uning, Servicing&  Rebuilding
eed Organ Society Member
lorissant, MO 63034
314) 838-5587
ahechler at att.net
ww.hechlerpianoandorgan.com
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