[CAUT] Steinway stack height

Wolfley, Eric (wolfleel) WOLFLEEL@UCMAIL.UC.EDU
Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:55:19 -0400


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Chris,

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My string heights are in the 7 1/2" range for the most part (a little =
higher
in the middle) and the hammerflange centers are at 5 =BE" so the real =
problem
is getting the 1 =BE" blow distance without peeling the bumper felt off =
to
within 1/8" of the wood. I've dealt with a couple of actions where I =
would
like to raise the rear of the stack up to avoid the "dreaded repetition
lock-up" but have glued extra felt on the bumpers for the sake of
expediency. Do they ever actually induce warping in the stack at the =
factory
to match the curvature of the string heights? I've never had a stack =
that
rocked on a flat bench or noticed one that was flexed into a curve on =
the
keyframe.

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Eric

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Eric Wolfley, RPT

Supervising Piano Technician

College-Conservatory of Music

University of Cincinnati

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Solliday [mailto:solliday@ptd.net]=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:52 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Steinway stack height

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Eric, the real relationship in this is of course from the string to the
center heights. If  7 1/2" is the string height,  correspondingly the =
hammer
center height should be 5 3/4" which is a difference of 1 3/4" ( a =
familiar
number), so consequently shouldn't the hammer center height be 5 1/2" =
if the
string height is 7 1/4" ? Is this what Mike Mohr means by "the action =
height
is unique..." and "Maintaining the relationship between... ?" Just a =
slight
caution regarding lowering the stack height only in the back, it can =
result
in the dreaded "repetition lock-up." But with your shanks so close to =
the
cushions it's probably not a problem. I think Pianotek sells different =
size
rest felts so you can maintain a good relationship to the shank. As for =
the
straightedge thing it doesn't mean that you should just stand there =
forever
checking it continuously, however great a relief from our regular =
duites
this may be, but rather just when setting the two center mounting =
blocks and
maintaining a slight curve (or not) to match the string heights. =
Although it
certainly would be a good way to measure warping if you knew where it =
had
originally been set. Accurate string height measurements are really =
key,
especially with Steinways, for this kind of work.  Chris

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From: Wolfley, Eric <mailto:WOLFLEEL@UCMAIL.UC.EDU>  (wolfleel)=20

To: 'College and University <mailto:caut@ptg.org>  Technicians'=20

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:29 AM

Subject: RE: [CAUT] Steinway stack height

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Thanks Chris and all that replied. I'll thumbtack the specs to the wall =
so I
won't misplace them. I did contact Kent Webb and the current spread
specification is 4 13/32" which translates to 4.40625"

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The piano in question is indeed of 1968 vintage (Mr. Purdy) and was
originally Teflon with the big fiber knuckles. I isolated the problem =
to two
sources: The rear of the stack was 1/16" too high (3 5/16")...easy =
enough, I
carefully planed the shoes down. The shank bumpers on the new wippens I =
want
to use (Tokiwa miracle wipps) are 1/8" higher than the original. We =
save a
lot of old parts here...it was good to have some samples to check. This
piano had a new soundboard installed a few years ago (before I started =
here)
and obviously the string heights are lower now than its original
incarnation.=20

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In Chris's post below I can't exactly visualize what they are talking =
about
when they say "continually check for straightness with the straightedge =
on
top of the hammershank flanges". My only guess is that if the mounting
blocks aren't all on the same plane the hammer rail could warp down or =
up
where a stack bracket is screwed down but it seems like it would have =
to be
really bad for this to happen.

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Eric Wolfley, RPT

Supervising Piano Technician

College-Conservatory of Music

University of Cincinnati

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Solliday [mailto:solliday@ptd.net]=20
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:07 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Steinway stack height

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"B" at note 62 in NYC hammer flange 5 3/4"

rep flange 3 1/4"  based on string height of 7 1/2"    you didn't say =
if pre
84 or post or the new incarnation but the spread pre 84 was  4.381" and =
post
84 was 4.395"  This may have changed on the latest and greatest and for =
that
I suggest you call Kent Webb or email him.  I think it is important to =
note
that according to Mike Mohr's Forefinishing Notes, which I consider a
reliable source, "Set Action Frame Height" says "IMPORTANT NOTE: the =
action
stack height, as determined by the thickness of the mounting blocks. =
This
action height is unique for each instrument, and is the result of the
individual string height for a piano. String height variables are the =
result
of the plate fitting and belly operations... String heights change from =
bass
to treble usually in an arched or crowned manner. These numbers for =
note #
62 represent an average. Maintaining the relationship between the stack
height and the string height ensures: A) the proper BLOW distance at =
the
same time the hammershank is properly off the cushion. and B) the =
proper
HAMMER ROTATION is needed to minimize overstriking or shallow striking
conditon. NOTE; if string height is lower or higher than above, keep =
the
relationship the same..." (and later after shimming or planing the bass =
and
treble mounting blocks) "continually check for straightness with the
straightedge on top of the hammershank flanges." I know you only asked =
for
numbers, but what the heck, I felt like sharing. BTW I'm sure you =
remember
that we discovered when shimming or planning it is best to rotate the =
stack
on the hammer flange pin axis which means adjusting the front foot
differently than the back foot. Of course there are even greater =
subtleties
to this process but then you did just ask for the numbers. Stay well, =
Chris
Solliday =20

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From: Wolfley, Eric (wolfleel) <mailto:WOLFLEEL@UCMAIL.UC.EDU> =20

To: 'caut@ptg.org' <mailto:'caut@ptg.org'> =20

Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:53 AM

Subject: [CAUT] Steinway stack height

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Hi All,

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I'm sure somebody out there knows the specs for the distance from the =
keybed
to hammerflange center and keybed to wippen center for a Steinway B. I =
have
these written down somewhere but can't find them and I don't trust my
memory. I'm correcting a problematic action and believe the stack to be =
too
high since to get the proper blow distance the shank cushions have been
reduced to nubs. The bore distance of the hammers is correct and the =
string
heights are in the normal range.

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Thanks!

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Eric Wolfley, RPT

Supervising Piano Technician

College-Conservatory of Music

University of Cincinnati

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