[CAUT] Re: [PTG-L] Clarity needed?

Richard West rwest1@unl.edu
Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:02:41 -0600


Please disregard this message/thread.  I mistakenly sent two copies, 
when I intended only to send to PTG-L.  Sorry about that. 

Richard

Barbara Richmond wrote:

> Why is this on CAUT?
>
> Barbara Richmond
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Roberts" <kpiano@goldrush.com>
> To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re: [PTG-L] Clarity needed?
>
>
>> I agree with you wholeheartedly Richard. I was told by an esteemed 
>> RPT that
>> no one knows what a RPT is. I find that true. Most of my clients 
>> think we
>> are all piano TUNERS. Marketing what we have and adding only one or 
>> two more
>> classifications that are also marketable would be the way to go, in my
>> opinion.
>> Why would I become a RPT if I have to market it myself? I can make up 
>> all
>> kinds of fancy sounding titles and no one is going to know the 
>> difference
>> except the guy across town who has the real one. If I have better 
>> marketing
>> I will run him out of business if there isn't enough for two.
>>
>> Keith Roberts
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard West" <rwest1@unl.edu>
>> To: "CAUT >> College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:15 AM
>> Subject: [CAUT] Re: [PTG-L] Clarity needed?
>>
>>
>>> I like your email, Jim.  It helped clarify my thinking, anyway.  Your
>>> three items are no longer at the top of my priority list for change.
>>> That's not to say that there isn't room for improvement.  I have just
>>> come to accept certain things.
>>>
>>> 1. Testing - We have a workable test and a great crew administering it.
>>> Change will take place.  The committee will hear suggestions and work
>>> with them to either accept and use them, or reject them as 
>>> unworkable. I
>>> believe the testing system we have in place is working, at least well
>>> enough for me to be willing to let it be for awhile.
>>>
>>> 2.  Associates - We have a category system that has remained unchanged
>>> for over 20 years.  As far as I'm concerned it's a topic of discussion
>>> because of a few disgruntled members who can't leave it alone.  I can
>>> understand the sentiment to some extent, but I see this as going 
>>> against
>>> the inclusive spirit of PTG and the value that Associates bring to this
>>> organization.  There has always existed a misdirected punitive
>>> inclination in PTG.  Fortunately that has never been a dominant
>>> attitude.  We would be better focused if we aimed at marketing the
>>> RPT rather than diminishing the Associate classification.  I won't
>>> say any more about that because the discussion of Associates winds 
>>> up in
>>> pointless debate over category options, most of which have been 
>>> rejected
>>> in Council. This discussion is akin to debating how many angels will 
>>> fit
>>> on the head of a pin.
>>>
>>> 3. Categories - I would like to see more internal categories, but I 
>>> also
>>> think that our efforts should be more directed to marketing the RPT. 
>>> And
>>> until that is done, multiple categories are of less importance. I agree
>>> with Israel that a plethora of categories will only confuse the public.
>>>   Also defining the qualifications for other categories will take a lot
>>> of work.  The rebuilder category, for example, has already been
>>> investigated and there have been a whole lot of problems defined.
>>>
>>> Therefore, my priority list starts with marketing RPT and spending
>>> some money to do that.  Second on the list would be to expand our
>>> educational publications, top to bottom.  Revise PACE, develop a
>>> piano service textbook, that is better than Reblitz, continue to
>>> refine the PACE checklist,  etc., etc.  I think PTG is in a good
>>> position to address both of these items.
>>>
>>> We had an informal moritorium on categories a few years ago.  I would
>>> expand that moritorium to testing and Associate bashing.
>>>
>>> Richard West
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Jim Busby wrote:
>>>
>>> > List,
>>> >
>>> > You may choose to call the issues "problems" or, in my opinion, 
>>> "ideas
>>> > to strengthen PTG", but here is a "nutshell" of the issues as I see
>>> > them; (If I missed something please let me know.)
>>> >
>>> > 1. Testing (CTEs, fees, reimbursements, etc.)
>>> > 2. Associates (Name use, advertising, progress in guild, etc.)
>>> > 3. Categories (Two, or more?)
>>> >
>>> > I don't want to sound too simplistic because I know each of these 
>>> is a
>>> > whole can-o-worms, but can't we come together on the fact that 
>>> each of
>>> > these issues should be addressed, separately?
>>> >
>>> > It seems that there are two definite camps; those who want change and
>>> > those who either don't, or are at least reluctant to effect change.
>>> > This
>>> > keeps an amount of "checks and balances" in place. It also seems
>>> > that we
>>> > get bogged down in these discussions because we throw everything in
>>> > the
>>> > pot together and this leads to endless 90 degree turns which lead us
>>> > nowhere.
>>> >
>>> > I, for one, could live with PTG as it is, but would REALLY like to
>>> > seem
>>> > more categories. Something to help the organizations to stretch out a
>>> > bit.
>>> >
>>> > Jim Busby BYU
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