Hi Keith Been thinking on an off about this during the day and it dawned on me that your idea of the jack center being the determinant for the output arm length and that the angle the jack takes makes no difference is analogous to the position of the capstan hole on the key being the determinant for the output arm length of a key and that it matters not which angle you insert the capstan. I'll leave it to you to take it from there. Cheers RicB
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