[CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?

[John Ross]

It seems to me, that the first people in a field, would have to be 
self-taught.
They learned by their mistakes.
What they passed on, was don't make the same mistakes, that had already been 
made.
Some academics to a very poor job, of imparting their knowledge, and 
unfortunately, their pay-scales are determined by the courses they passed, 
and not their ability to impart the knowledge successfully.
Some teacher/instructors couldn't teach their way out of a wet paper bag. 
But they do have the credentials.
Credentials do NOT the man make.
John M. Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Nossaman" <rnossaman at cox.net>
To: "College and University Technicians" <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?


>
>> Most (not all) of the stuff I hear and read from some of these "self 
>> taught" guys (and Mr. N is one of the worst in that regard)  suffers 
>> precisely from this lack of varied perspective. They see things from one 
>> pair of eyes - their own. Never engaging in the give-and-take that a true 
>> student/teacher relationship is based on, from which both learn. Perhaps 
>> that's why some of these folks have such a jaundiced view of the 
>> educational establishment - they seem to universalize their own miserable 
>> experience which may have been caused in part by their own unwillingness 
>> to perhaps listen to someone else's voice but their own...
>>
>> Israel Stein
>
>
> I see that I've missed out. Had you been around to guide and inform me 
> throughout my miserable mislead life, I might have eventually learned 
> something worthwhile and become knowledgeable and competent at what I do. 
> Pity it's too late for me to take up the Stein way of thinking at this 
> point. I'm already ruined by too many rational cause and effect 
> connections.
>
> And I still have met more than a few people who became quite accomplished 
> musicians without formal instruction of any kind, which is what this was 
> all about.
>
> Ron N
>