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Billbrpt write: 
<<What gets me is that no matter how many notes these people can imagine 
being 
in a scale, it still can only be ET.  Their whole world would explode if 
anyone dared to think of something like a 31 Meantone.<< 

    There is no need to suffer the meantone restrictions in a scale with 31 
notes to the octave.  Harmonically, it lets us have it both ways,  it is just 
physically difficult to manipulate an instrument with that many keys.     In 
fact, the meantone tunings are simply subsets of the higher ET's. i.e.  a 54 
TET has all the notes found in 12 TET as well as those we form by moving from 
ET to well-temperaments.  
    
>> The greater 
than 12 tone scale was being discussed and dismissed as foolish intellectual 
pondering in the early 19th Century too.<<

  I would like to post below a recent posting from Margo Schulter that 
address the question in more detail.  I don't think it was considered 
foolish, and it certainly predates the early 19th century.  


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3. Adaptive structure: a comparison with Vicentino

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While realizing tetrachords and scales like those of Archytas and

al-Farabi in a "classic JI" manner, our 24-note adaptive scheme also

somewhat resembles the 38-note system of Vicentino for obtaining

vertical concords with pure ratios. Here we focus on some similarities

and differences between these two adaptive systems, from the viewpoint

of the keyboard performer as well as the tuning theorist.


Vicentino's system for obtaining both "perfect fifths" and "perfect

thirds," as mentioned at the opening of Part I, involves two 19-note

manuals evidently each tuned in 1/4-comma meantone (Gb-B#) with pure

major thirds at a distance of 1/4 syntonic comma (~5.38 cents) apart.


A likely arrangement for the keyboards of Vicentino's _archicembalo_

or _arciorgano_ is the following, with the usual five accidental keys

of each manual split front-to-back (e.g. G#/Ab, Eb/D#), and extra

small keys for E# and B#. Here Vicentino's comma sign (') -- for

Vicentino, the term "comma" may refer to various small intervals --

serves to show the raising of the notes on the second manual by 1/4

syntonic comma:


   Db'    D#'         Gb'    Ab'    A#'

   C#'    Eb'   E#'   F#'    G#'    Bb'   B#'

C'     D'    E'    F'     G'     A'     B'   C'

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   Db     D#          Gb     Ab     A#

   C#     Eb    E#    F#     G#     Bb    B#

C      D      E    F      G      A      B    C


Using this instrument, the player can attain pure ratios for complete

5-limit sonorities of the 16th century extolled both by Vicentino and

Gioseffo Zarlino (1558) as manifesting "perfect" harmony (Zarlino's

_harmonia perfetta_). 


Here are just realizations on Vicentino's keyboard for four forms of

these complete sonorities regarded as concordant in practice and

theory, and also two forms discussed by Zarlino[6] combining a sixth

with a fourth above the lowest part, commonly subject to many of the

same restrictions as more unequivocal discords. Interval arrangements

for each sonority are shown by the notation (outer|lower + upper), and

the just tuning is shown using Zarlino's string ratios, more modern

frequency ratios, and rounded cents with respect to the lowest voice:


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   Example        Intervals    String ratio   Freq ratio      Cents

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

   C3-E3-G3'     (5|M3 + m3)     15:12:10        4:5:6      0-386-702

   D3-F3'-A3'    (5|m3 + M3)      6:5:4        10:12:15     0-316-702

   E3-G3'-C4     (m6|m3 + 4)     24:20:15        5:6:8      0-316-814

   F3'-A3'-D4    (M6|M3 + 4)      5:4:3        12:15:20     0-386-884

.......................................................................

   G3'-C4-E4     (M6|4 + M3)     20:15:12        3:4:5      0-498-884      

   A3'-D4-F4'    (m6|4 + m3)      8:6:5        15:20:24     0-498-814

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Pure major thirds and minor sixths are played with both notes on the

same keyboard. Fifths and minor thirds, tempered narrow by Vicentino's

"comma" of 5.38 cents on either keyboard, are restored to their just

proportion by playing the lower note on the lower manual, and the

upper note on the upper manual (e.g. D3-F3'-A3'). Fourths and major

sixths, tempered wide by this same amount, are played in their just

forms with the lower note on the upper keyboard and the upper note on

the lower keyboard (e.g. F3'-A3'-D4). 


As Vicentino's notation shows, narrow intervals are thus enlarged by

this "comma," and wide intervals reduced by it, achieving pure ratios.

In his circular of 1561 advertising the arciorgano, this "perfect

diatonic music" is described along with its marvellous effects[7]:


              First there are obtained perfect fifths above the

              white keys of the common organ, which make a

              wonderful sound; then two kinds of thirds, one

              major, one minor, and similarly, two kinds of

              sixths, in which case it happens that whenever

              perfect fifths are struck together with perfect

              thirds, they fill the ears with such harmony that

              no better can be heard on earth.


Both Vicentino's adaptive tuning and the adaptive Xeno-Gothic scheme

appear to have the following properties in common:


(1) Both systems make it possible to realize a complete set of

sonorities featuring pure ratios: Vicentino's stable sonorities based

on 5-limit ratios of 2-3-5, or stable and unstable Gothic/neo-Gothic

sonorities based on ratios of 2-3-7.


(2) Each of the two manuals in itself represents a standard regular

tuning: Vicentino's 19-note meantone (Gb-B#), or a Gothic/neo-Gothic

12-note Pythagorean (Eb-G#).


(3) The notes of the upper keyboard are shifted by a slight interval

to obtain pure ratios for vertical sonorities: by 1/4 syntonic comma

(~5.38 cents) in Vicentino's scheme, or a septimal schisma (~3.80

cents) in the neo-Gothic scheme.


While both schemes yield pure vertical sonorities combining multiple

prime factors (2-3-5 or 2-3-7), Vicentino's is based on a regular

temperament, evidently 1/4-comma meantone: melodic intervals, and also

vertical intervals in unstable sonorities, typically have irrational

meantone ratios. Indeed the beauty and elegance of this system lies in

its synthesis between the flexibility and regularity of a Renaissance

temperament and the purity of just vertical concords.


In contrast, the adaptive neo-Gothic scheme is entirely based on

integer ratios, a much easier solution in a medieval or neo-medieval

setting than in a 5-limit Renaissance setting.[8] Such an "adaptive

rational" scheme satisfies two additional properties:


(1) The regular tuning on each keyboard is also a just tuning based on

integer ratios, namely Pythagorean intonation; and


(2) The small interval of adjustment between the two keyboards is

itself rational, here the septimal schisma of 33554432:33480783 (~3.80

cents), so that all ratios in the scheme remain integer-based.


In one obvious respect, Vicentino's system shares the melodic

smoothness and regularity of meantone while our neo-Gothic adaptive

system exemplifies the intricacy or unevenness of classic multi-prime

JI systems: the matter of commas and comma shifts.



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3.1. Commas and melodic evenness/unevenness

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Vicentino's system, like a usual meantone temperament, disperses the

syntonic or 3-5 comma (81:80, ~21.51 cents) by narrowing each regular

fifth by 1/4 of this amount, equal to the 5.38-cent adjustment between

the two manuals. In progressing from one pure vertical sonority to the

next, the usual meantone melodic intervals need vary by only this

small amount, rather than by a full syntonic comma as often happens in

classic Renaissance JI.


In contrast, the adaptive neo-Gothic system features the classic

septimal or 3-7 comma (64:63, ~27.26 cents); notably unequal

whole-steps of 9:8 and 8:7, and sometimes direct melodic progressions

by a septimal comma (Section 4), are characteristic, whether regarded

as blemishes or adornments.


As discussed in Part I, Section 1, this latter system has effectively

exchanged one comma for another: the Pythagorean or 2-3 comma which

would normally obtain between the manuals is enlarged by a septimal

schisma to a septimal comma, making pure 7-based sonorities possible.


Here we might add that Vicentino himself ardently advocates another

kind of striking melodic shift: the enharmonic shift of a meantone

diesis, equivalent to a 2-3 comma (in 1/4-comma tuning, typically

128:125 or ~41.06 cents). However, such shifts are an optional and

expressive effect providing a prime motivation for his other

archicembalo/arciorgano tuning dividing the octave into 31 essentially

equal steps of 1/5-tone, rather than an integral and necessary feature

of his adaptive JI system.[9]


The question of the commas invites a comparison of the practical

challenges and opportunities which keyboardists may encounter using

these two systems in the lively musical settings for which they are

designed.



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3.2. Commas and stable concords: A keyboardist's view

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While the presence of an unexpurgated septimal comma in the neo-Gothic

system makes it in some ways more intricate, Vicentino's system may

actually offer a more arduous task for the performer who wishes to

maintain pure concords wherever possible. This is true in part because

of the distinctions of vertical stability/instability involved in each

case.


In Gothic or neo-Gothic music, the complete stable sonority is the

three-voice trine (e.g. D3-A3-D4, 2:3:4). In our adaptive scheme, as

in a usual Pythagorean tuning, all regularly fifths and fourths on

each keyboard -- and therefore complete trines -- are pure. One need

only play them in the usual manner.[10]


In Vicentino's 16th-century system, however, playing any full 5-limit

concord (Zarlino's _harmonia perfetta_) requires mixing notes from the

two keyboards in order to obtain pure fifths (or fourths) and minor

thirds (or major sixths).


Of course, such mixing of notes from the two manuals is required in

the neo-Gothic scheme to obtain pure 7-flavor versions of unstable

sonorities. However, the typical vertical spacing of such medieval or

neo-medieval sonorities can simplify this task. In many three-voice or

four-voice progressions, the widest vertical interval negotiated by a

single hand is characteristically a fifth or fourth:


             E^4 F4                    F4  E^4

E^4 F4       D4  C4       F4  E^3      D^4 E^4      D4 E^4 F4

B^3 C4       B^3 C4       Bb3 A^3      Bb3 A^3      C4 B^3 C4

G3  F3       G3  F3       G^3 A^3      G^3 A^3      G3     F3


While keeping the right hand on the right manual at the right time

remains a challenge, the keyboardist is at least assured of a friendly

"landing" on a trine or fifth conveniently located on a single manual.


In contrast, let us see what is involved in some routine Renaissance

progressions at Vicentino's keyboard if we wish to maintain pure

concords for any length of time:


G4   F'4     B4   C'5    A4   B4     A'4  G#4    G4   F#4

D'4  D4      G4   A4     E'4  G4     D4   E4     D4'  D4

B3   A'3     D'4  F4     C'4  D'4    A'3  B'3    Bb'3 A'3

G3   D3      G3   F3     A3   G3     F'3  E3     G2   D3


As these examples may illustrate, we can indeed progress between pure

vertical sonorities with smooth and virtually regular melodic steps,

but with a complication more generally noted for the archicembalo by

Ercole Bottrigari in 1594[11]:


              "[T]he player must many times press and hold down

               down with one hand some keys of both keyboards

               at the same time, and occasionally do this with 

               both hands at once."


Possibly new and more ergonomic keyboard designs may alleviate the

mechanical difficulties of needing to mix notes from both keyboards,

frequently within a single hand, "whenever perfect fifths are struck

with perfect thirds," to borrow Vicentino's phrase.


Happily, both adaptive systems provide a "safety valve" for the

intrepid keyboardist, who is free to revert to a regular and

stylistically felicitous tuning system readily at hand as a subset of

the full scheme: 19-note Renaissance meantone for the player of

Vicentino's instrument, or 12-note medieval Pythagorean for the player

of the neo-Gothic instrument.


This flexibility might serve not only as a concession to the

beleaguered performer, but as a musical virtue: the opportunity to mix

and contrast pure sonorities with more complex ones. In a neo-Gothic

setting, complex Pythagorean versions of unstable sonorities are

valued and cultivated in their own right alongside pure 7-flavor

versions. In Vicentino's system, for example, the playing of certain

passages with a subtle contrast between pure major thirds and the

tempered minor thirds in a usual meantone fashion could add a welcome

note of musical variety[12], alongside other passages featuring pure

fifths and thirds.


In short, both adaptive systems may have the advantage of combining

the musically routine with the extraordinary, giving the performer the

creative scope for choice in seeking out effects both old and new.



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Notes

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1. See, e.g., Margo Schulter and David Keenan, "The Golden Mediant:

Complex ratios and metastable musical intervals," Tuning Digest 810:3,

18 September 2000; http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/12915. Note

that the term "Noble Mediant" might now be preferred in the title, as

suggested by Dave Keenan.


2. For these standard forms of 7-flavor cadences with melodic steps of

9:8 and 28:27, the general rule is that intensive progressions (with

ascending semitones) resolve to a trine or fifth on the lower manual,

while remissive progressions (with descending semitones) resolve to

the upper manual. Another way of stating this pattern: melodic

whole-tones are played on the same keyboard (e.g. G3-F3, E^4-F#^4);

ascending semitones move from the upper to the lower keyboard

(e.g. B^3-C4, E^4-F4); and descending semitones from the lower to the

upper keyboard (e.g. F3-E^3, C4-B^3).


3. In contrast, the 15th-century shift in Western Europe from active

Pythagorean thirds and sixths to 5-limit "valley" tunings resulted in

larger cadential semitones and less efficient resolutions. Major

thirds at 5:4 (~386.31 cents) and major sixths at 5:3 (~884.36 cents)

are a syntonic comma (81:80, ~21.51 cents) _narrower_ than their

Pythagorean counterparts, while minor thirds at 6:5 (~315.64 cents)

are _wider_ by this same amount. The m3-1, M3-5, and M6-8 resolutions

thus require this extra amount of expansion or contraction, a total

distance of a rounded 316 cents (the size of the 6:5 minor third).

Cadential semitones in a pure 5-limit tuning are typically 16:15

(~111.73 cents), again a syntonic comma larger than Pythagorean. On

early Renaissance tension between the musical values of smoother

thirds and incisive cadential semitones, see also Mark Lindley,

"Pythagorean Intonation and the Rise of the Triad," _Royal Musical

Association Research Chronicle_ 16:4-61 at 45 (1980), ISSN 0080-4460;

and "Pythagorean Intonation," _New Grove Dictionary of Music and

Musicians_ 15:485-487, ed. Stanley Sadie, Washington, DC: Grove's

Dictionaries of Music (1980), ISBN 0333231112.


4. While the musical style is derived from that of Gothic Europe, the

mixture of melodic semitones and major thirds might somehow evoke for

me also the Balinese or Javanese pelog and Japanese pentatonic scales

featuring these intervals.


5. In the right setting, these narrow fourths (21:16, ~470.78 cents) and

wide fifths (32:21, ~529.22 cents) might present an opportunity for

special effects rather than a problem. Keenan Pepper, for example, has

extolled the "crunchiness" of 21:16, and neo-Gothic styles favor many

varieties of altered or "less usual" intervals.


6. Gioseffo Zarlino, _The Art of Counterpoint: Part Three of Le

Istitutioni harmoniche, 1558_, trans. Guy A. Marco and Claude Palisca

(W. W. Norton, 1976), ISBN 0-393-00833-9, Chapter 60, pp. 190-193. On

Zarlino's approach to multivoice sonorities, see also my article,

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/15397, and also emendations in

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/15434 in response to valuable

corrections by Paul Erlich also available as part of that thread, e.g.

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/15400. 



7. Henry W. Kaufman, "Vicentino's Arciorgano: An Annotated

Translation," _Journal of Music Theory_ 5:32-53 (1961) at 34-35.


8. In a neo-Gothic JI system (factors of 2-3-7) based entirely on

integer ratios, stable trines (2:3:4 or 3:4:6) are free from the

complications of the septimal or 3-7 comma at 64:63. In contrast, in a

Renaissance JI system (factors of 2-3-5), stable sonorities combining

Vicentino's "perfect fifths and perfect thirds" (4:5:6 or 10:12:15)

squarely confront the problem of the syntonic or 3-5 comma at 81:80.

As we shall see in Section 3.2, even Vicentino's system, while it

succeeds in dispersing the syntonic comma, bears some sign of this

greater complication by requiring the performer to mix notes from both

manuals whenever such a "perfect" Renaissance sonority is desired. 


9. Vicentino's adaptive system offering sonorities where all fifths

and thirds are "perfect," as well as his first or circulating 31-note

scheme for his archicembalo and arciorgano, would nicely fit a base

tuning of 1/4-comma meantone for the first 12 notes of the lower

manual, which Vicentino simply directs should be tuned as on usual

keyboard instruments, with the fifths slightly narrowed or "blunted."


10. In an "avant-garde" neo-Gothic style which acted on the view of

Jacobus of Liege that 9:1 (a major 23rd, e.g. D3-E6) is a "perfect

concord" by treating sonorities such as D3-A5-E6 (1:6:9) as stable,

these 3-prime-limit sonorities would also be available in their usual

locations on either keyboard.


11. Ercole Bottrigari, _Il Desiderio, 1594_, trans. Carol MacClintock,

Musical Studies and Documents 9 (American Institute of Musicology,

1963), p. 51, where it is noted that tuners and organists may be

rather intimidated by "the keys separated, as I have said, into two

keyboards with the usual black semitones divided in two and others

added."


12. On such a contrast in 1/4-comma meantone "between pure major 3rds

and tempered minor 3rds," see Mark Lindley, "Temperaments," _New Grove

Dictionary of Music and Musicians_ (n. 3 above), 18:660-674 at 663.


Most respectfully,


Margo Schulter

mschulter@value.net 





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