Was it something I said?

[Farrell]

Hi Jon. Please tell us where you purchase your 301 Epoxy Tehnology Water
Thin Epoxy.

Also, the filler I use most often is West System's #404 Hi-Density Adhesive
Filler. I use it for structural repairs as it forms a hi-density steel-like
material - you can repair an old destroyed bench with just a tad of it in
the corners so that it is stronger than new, etc., etc.,! Another place I
use it is when I glue in pinblock plugs into an old pinblock. I just used it
on an old Estey grand I am restringing, etc., The plate/pinblock had no
attachment points to the rim, so I epoxied hard maple blocks on either side
and replaced a couple short pinblock screws at either end and sank them into
the new maple to really firm up the front plate/pinblock area. The stuff is
sooooooooooo strong. A piece of hard maple will fail WAY before the
epoxy-to-wood bond or the epoxy itself.

Terry Farrell
Piano Tuning & Service
Tampa, Florida
mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Page" <jonpage@mediaone.net>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Was it something I said?


> My favorite epoxy:
> 301 Epoxy Technology
> Water Thin Epoxy
>   (not cheap, premium performance)
>
> My favorite mixers:
> West Systems:
> 406 Colloidal Silica Adhesive Filler
> 410 Microlight Fairing Compound
>
> My favorite leak containment:
> Masking Tape
>
> I swab the sides of the crack with straight 301 to let it permeate the
pores
> of the wood. Then I mix in filler to thicken and fairing compound to color
> (tan),
> you could mix in saw dust if you prefer.
>
> So far, I prefer to flip the piano upside-down and mask the 'topside'
board
> surface.
> This way, any shrinkage of the curing epoxy will be on the bottom of the
board.
>
> Better Living through Chemistry,
>
> Jon Page
>
> PS  I take issue with methods other than Bill Spurlock's routing method.
> Afterall, the other methods seem to merely force the crack wider,
compressing,
> destroying the wood/cell structure and glazing the surface. No wonder I
see
> shims cracked. I don't want to duplicate previous poor woodworking
procedures.
> Not to mention the dry rot which we all know about.     Epoxy
>
> At 04:52 PM 01/04/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> >Jon,
> >Do you mix the epoxy with sawdust or use it as is?  I've got a soundboard
> >crack job coming up, so I'd like to know the details.
> >
> >Ted Simmons
> >
> >I now perfer to use
> > > epoxy to fill the void if necessary. Epoxy fills I have done twenty
> > years ago
> > > are still good while shims have cracked.
> > >
> > > Reagrds,
> > >
> > > Jon Page
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: "Greg Newell" <gnewell@ameritech.net>
> > >> To: "Pianotech, forum" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:31 PM
> > >> Subject: Was it something I said?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Greetings fellow listees,
> > >>> About  a week agao I post this message and only had two people
> > >>> respond. I really could use some more opinions so I'll try posting
this
> > >>> again. Please take a moment to respond. I really could use your
advice!
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg
> > >>>
> > >>> Greetings folks,
> > >>>> I need the advice of you treasured people who are so kind to find
> > >>>> the time to teach those clueless people like myself.
> > >>>> I took in a piano for a customer who was having a property of
> > >>> theirs
> > >>>> demolished and needed to get the piano out in a hurry. She is
having
> > >>> and
> > >>>> A.B.Chase (early 20's vintage) refinished, restrung, and action
> > >>>> overhauled for her family. I have had this piano in my home for
about
> > >>>> three months acting as a big surface upon which to gather many many
> > >>>> useless items. I recently was preparing to begin the restringing
> > >>> process
> > >>>> and took down the tension on all the strings and removed the bass
> > >>>> strings. I plan to have Newton redesign the scale for this while ,
> > >>>> hopefully teaching me how to do it for future piano I may inflict
my
> > >>>> talents upon. Since I took down the tension about a week ago I
found
> > >>>> something rather startling. What began as one very shim able but
not
> > >>> yet
> > >>>> seperated crack in the board has now become 6 or more two of which
> > >>> have
> > >>>> separated from the ribs at spots and are wide enough to see
daylight
> > >>>> through. I would call the main crack to be about thick enough to
slip
> > >>> a
> > >>>> thin guitar pick through. This particular one has the wood being
> > >>> uneven
> > >>>> on both side of the crack indicating it's separation from the ribs.
> > >>>> Naturally this big one is right through the center of the board.
> > >>>> I'd like the opinion of this list as to whether these cracks can
> > >>> or
> > >>>> should be repaired or is it time for another board? I've never left
> > >>>> tension off a piano for this long before. Did I do a no no? If it
is
> > >>>> your opinion that a new board and bridges are necessary then how
would
> > >>>
> > >>>> you go about telling the customer of this added cost? Do you know
> > >>> anyone
> > >>>> in the Cleveland, OH area of perhaps PA area that you can recommend
to
> > >>>
> > >>>> install a new board and do a job I could be proud to offer? Are
there
> > >>>> any pitfalls along the way I should look out for? What could I
expect
> > >>> to
> > >>>> pay for a board and bridges?
> > >>>> I've only subcontracted once before and I got bit really bad that
> > >>>> time so I'm really gun shy. Thank you for the time and effort to
> > >>>> respond. I hope the coming days, months, and years bring you all
> > >>>> continued growth and prosperity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Greg
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Greg Newell
> > >>> Greg's Piano Forté
> > >>> 19270 Harlon Ave.
> > >>> Lakewood, Ohio 44107
> > >>> 216-226-3791
> > >>> mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > > Jon Page,   piano technician
> > > Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass.
> > > mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
>
> Jon Page,   piano technician
> Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass.
> mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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