Sangler & Sohne Serial Seizing Centers

[Allan L. Gilreath, RPT]

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Z!,

Very good points.  I should have taken different warranties into effect
before speaking.  I've gotten too used to working with folks like YC,
Baldwin, etc.  In the past, I've found this to be caused, as best as we can
tell, by bushing felt that was not burnished when it was installed.
Burnishing and repinning does seem to be the only cure and it appears to be
permanent as far as we can tell.

I guess this is some of the difference in cost that folks run into when
getting a less comprehensive warranty.  However, some of the most expensive
pianos have extremely warranties so go figure.

Thanks for pointing the warr figures out Z!. (Should I include a period
after the exclamation point?)

Allan
Allan L. Gilreath, RPT
Assistant Director - TEAM2001
July 11-15, 2001 - Reno, NV
agilreath@mindspring.com
http://www.ptg.org/conv.htm
Director: Laura Olsen, RPT
Assistant Directors: Allan Gilreath, RPT - Gary Neie, RPT - Dale Probst, RPT

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]On Behalf Of
Z! Reinhardt
  Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 4:24 PM
  To: Pianotech
  Subject: Re: Sangler & Sohne Serial Seizing Centers


  According to The Piano Book by Larry Fine, this make of piano is made by
the Pearl River Group in China, unless it is the 47" upright, which is made
in Belarus.  The warranty is for 10 years, parts only.  (How much does a
packet of centerpins cost versus how many hours will it take to install them
properly?)  Sounds like this piano's problems will put you between a rock
and a hard place without your shirt intact.

  Perhaps the ceiling is the best place to send the nursing home
management -- they have the choice of paying for the entire job to be done
right, or of buying a whole new better-grade of piano.  It's a no-win
situation, and I'd hate to see any technician get caught in the middle of
something like this as people try to get out of paying for the necessary
work or for a better instrument.

  Z! Reinhardt  RPT
  Ann Arbor  MI
  diskladame@provide.net
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Allan L. Gilreath, RPT
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:45 PM
    Subject: RE: Sangler & Sohne Serial Seizing Centers


    Dave,

    We've run into something similar on a couple of brands.  As I'm not sure
who the manufacturer of the Sangler is, it's difficult to diagnose more.
However, contact the dealer and the manufacturer to see if this can be
covered under warranty.  A systemic problem like this certainly sounds like
IMO, the proper remedy is to repin all of them with proper technique.  It's
interesting that the wippen flange is the one freezing and not the hammer
flange as this is where I usually find this to show up.

    BTW, we will have several classes on dealing with action centers as well
as hands-on opportunities at the Annual Convention & Institute in Reno.
Also there will be plenty of factory techs and other experienced technicians
whose brains you can pick.

    Hope to see you there.

    Allan
    Allan L. Gilreath, RPT
    Assistant Director - TEAM2001
    July 11-15, 2001 - Reno, NV
    agilreath@mindspring.com
    http://www.ptg.org/conv.htm
    Director: Laura Olsen, RPT
    Assistant Directors: Allan Gilreath, RPT - Gary Neie, RPT - Dale Probst,
RPT

      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]On
Behalf Of Dave Bunch
      Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:06 PM
      To: pianotech@ptg.org
      Subject: Sangler & Sohne Serial Seizing Centers


      I service a three year old Sangler & Sohne in a nursing home. Among
its many problems is that as time passes, the centers start seizing up a few
at a time. I mean they will be fine when I am there tuning an a month later
five whippen centers will be so tight you can barely move the flange by
hand! Protek won't touch it. I have to repin them, check the rest of them.
Everything is fine then I get a call a couple months later and there are
several new ones. Is glue leaching through the bushings? Is there any
solution besides repining the whole action? They would hit the ceiling with
that suggestion. Anyone else seen this?

      Dave Bunch



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