ears vs. eyes..kinda long-winded

[Dave Smith]

Phil, I resemble the Prophead remark.

Seriously, I was surprised how close the aural tuning was to the FAC
calculation, except for the lowest bass and the highest treble.  Between C2
and A7, the aural tuning is just lightly scattered around the FAC
calculation.  This could be due to 1) the small but significant differences
that good aural tuning makes over the FAC calculation, or 2) small random
variation of the aural tuning around the FAC calculation curve, or 3) the
small random variation that ANY actual tuning has around the the FAC
calculated curve....  I will retune using the SAT III and remeasure to see
how my FAC tuning actually matches the calculated curve.  I suppose this has
been done and published many years ago, but I can/t find any data.

I did, however, really lke the tuning Phil made aurally.  It sounded
different, and perhaps more alive.  Hard to compare when you can't listen to
them side by side, though.  I guess I need another C2.

In the bass, Phil's tuning was not stretched quite as much as the FAC.  In
the highest treble, it was stretched more.

This small experiment has urged me on in my quest to learn to tune aurally.
Although I am an engineer and thus a PROPHEAD apparently, I also have ears,
and I believe that my tuning will benefit from using both the machine and
the ears.

If anyone would like, we could post the plots of Phil and FAC, but I won't
clutter the list unless someone is interested.  Or we could send privately.

Great to have this forum, especially for us grasshoppers.

Dave Smith
Pine Island FL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Bondi" <tito@philbondi.com>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 8:54 AM
Subject: ears vs. eyes..kinda long-winded

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> Recently, I tuned a C2 for someone I am apprenticing. He has been using
the
> SATlll on it, learning technique, etc. He was curious as to how his piano
> would sound tuned aurally....so I did.
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> The Result: Without being able to put a finger on it, it sounded
> 'different'. To me, it sounded a bit more alive than it did before. Being
> the prop head that he is, he measured my aural tuning against the SATlll
> setting he had been using. With the exception of the Bass, the numbers
were
> very close(whew!!), but different enough to both of our ears to sound
> 'different'.
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