Restored Baldwin out the door

Erwinspiano@aol.com Erwinspiano@aol.com
Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:24:42 EST


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In a message dated 1/4/2003 12:07:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
pianobuilders@olynet.com writes:

> Subj: Re: Restored Baldwin out the door 
>  Date: 1/4/2003 12:07:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
>  From: <A HREF="mailto:pianobuilders@olynet.com">pianobuilders@olynet.com</A>
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> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <A HREF="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A> 
>> To: <A HREF="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> 
>> Sent: January 03, 2003 3:55 PM
>>  Subject: Restored Baldwin out the door
>>  
>>             I had the pleasure of making the Baldwin client cry today... 
>> that is with joy. Her 90 year old mother wass there to see and hear the 
>> piano she'd suffered with teaching piano lessons low those 25 years. I was 
>> very gratified & honored at the response.

              Interesting post Del as I believe this model is the Balwin C 
model you mention in the post at the bottom of this one. Shocked may have 
been the wrong choice of words describing the shallow rib depth but ribs 1 
thru 4 were 24mm wide and 14,15.5,18,&18mm deep. compared to the Baldwin R 
model(same length 5ft. 8")
 18,21,22,24mm. Same width. I beefed up the bottom 7 ribs in depth.
   
    Baldwin R depth         BaldwinC depth
     rib depth                   original   Rib depth      new depth    rib 
length C
   1  18  mm                     14 mm                         17mm           
23 inches                                                          
   2  21                             15.5                              18.5   
           31
   3  22                             18                                 22    
             40
   4  24                             18                                 23    
             46
   5  24                             18                                 25    
             49
   6  24                             19.5                              26     
             42
   7 24                              19.5                              24     
             34
   8 19                              23                                 23    
              27    
   9 19                              21                                 21    
              22
  10 17                             19                                 19     
             18
  11 16                             17.5                              18      
             15
  12  no rib                      15.5                               16       
            11
    As you can see the original depth of the last five ribs on the C were 
already stiffer than the Rs.
 The first 8 ribs were crowned to a 60 ft radius and the last four at a 2 by 
50  and 2 forty ft.  It's a very good rib scale with excellent response. 
Board emc 6% at time of ribbing. >340 thick Sitka panel thinned at the edges 
except treble. Please use it if you wish.
         Regards Dale Erwin
> >> 
>>         List
>>         Tomorrow I'm delivering a 1920 pre-model R Baldwin. It's 5 ft. 8 " 
>> I just thought some would enjoy a thought or two on this. This is the 
>> first Baldwin I've had the opportunity to do a complete restoration on 
>> including new belly and all. Although I'm not a big Baldwin fan I am very 
>> pleased with the way this piano came out. Tonally it's very strong, and 
>> dark sounding with excellent sustain characteristics. Very even scale note 
>> to note& no weak spots or notes. This board had/has eleven ribs compared 
>> to a modern Rs 10 heavier built ribs. The original ribbing was really to 
>> light especially in the bottom end. Like 15/16 mm deep on the first 3 or 
>> ribs. I beefed them up. I use tight sugar pine thru out on a Sitka panel.
>>  I was shocked to think that Baldwin Designers had any idea that ribs that 
>> thin would retain any kind of real crown for more than two weeks. 

                  Dale Erwin

> Del writes
> Why should you be so shocked? In a compression-crowned soundboard assembly 
> the ribs actually resist the formation of crown and of necessity must be 
> flexible enough to bend as the board expands. The ribs on 
> compression-crowned soundboards are almost always wider than they are tall 
> -- though this is some shallow even for an early c-c board. 
>  
> I'm guessing that they were trying to reduce the stiffness of the 
> soundboard assembly to give it somewhat better mobility in response to the 
> larger movement required to develop good articulation in the bass. 
>  
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