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[Isaac sur Noos]

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Re: Accu-Tuner adHi David,

Have seen also some "old school" high class tuners working with strip mutes,
I can name a few that are almost worldwide knew. (Fabrinni for instance).
Always seen by "one mute" only tuners like a strange thing, but they produce
very good tunings also of course !

Indeed working with 1 mute  is another world of tone than the strip , but it
helps nowadays to have a second or a 3d !  Don't you check  tone with 2
strings (not 3) on some occasion ?

I could never be  so used to the long muting strip, but I take it for time
reasons on pitch changes or PR,  was never totally convinced with the global
homogeneity , or character of the tuning when using a strip mute.

On the other hand when tuning with "one mute only" we easely get caught in
our perception, and produce less compromizing in the more singing parts of
the piano, favourizing to the most our prefered intervals,  then the high
treble is often tuned lower, toning well when played in octaves, but too low
against the middle of the piano (that we tend to over strech in large rooms
often is not it ?).

If one stick to the fast beatings interval progression only, he produce a
very good "just" tuning but it does not put in front the instrument soul as
much. If one stick to the piano Ih, the instrument is toning very well, but
the tuning/temperament can lack "personality" (as obtained with pure
temperament tuning and the VT).

I believe that tuning with respect of the slower intervals color is giving a
more warm tuning than respect of faster ones (more brillant or more "German
type")

In the basses, we are really obliged to follow the quality of tone, that is
why only a multi partial device goes in the good direction, not trying to
tune extra large basses it the strings are sounding poorly on higher
partials for instance

The fact that our ears are pleasureables is in fact a handicap for tuning,
many instrumenst when they"talk" to me tell me "please needle me" or tweak
that regulation. That is why I spend so much time for a "tuning", I have to
force myself to make some "tuning days" where I tune only, ans as fast as
hell, to fight my natural tendency to try to obtain a very nice tone on any
piano whatever state and brand is. (15 /20 min a tuning was the last score
!)


Did you try the VT BTW ?

Best Regards.


                       Pianomania

                        Isaac OLEG
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  De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
part de David Andersen
  Envoye : dimanche 9 novembre 2003 07:51
  A : Pianotech
  Objet : Re: Accu-Tuner ad


  on 11/7/03 10:30 PM, Erwinspiano@aol.com at Erwinspiano@aol.com wrote:



      Anyone understand what I mean?

      Please be gentle...


      Wayne Lutzow
      Lincoln, CA
      Sacramento Valley PTG

      Wayne
     I applaud you for your candor honesty, & truthful assessment of your
own tuning. You can obviously hear & have an intuitive idea as to what it is
a well laid out tuning sounds like. With these qualities you will find what
you're looking for. Peter Clark is a good friend of mine & also one of the
finest tuners, & vouchers I've ever worked with. I would ask him to give you
some guidance. He's a generous helpful person & has done much teaching in
your area.
      You must use your ears to check your tuning which means developing
aural skills to the point that they can overrides the defects &
inconsistencies of ETD's.

   Dale Erwin


  Good job, Wayne.  Just keep going, and trust your ears; they're so much
more reliable, and pleasurable, than trusting a silicon-based device.

  By all means, find a mentor whose tunings blow you away. Beg him or her to
let you hang around and listen.
  You will learn so much; your body will learn so much.

  About 15 months ago, on this list, I was challenged to take the final
"step out on the tightrope" as an aural tuner---completely old school, with
just one mute, one fork, one tuning hammer. So I did.  And, after an initial
  harrowing couple of weeks, I started to get comfortable with the finality
of it----and then the doors literally blew open to a whole new world of
precision and musicality in my tuning. It sounded good to me before, but now
it sounds----well---perfect: liquid, swelling, blooming tones, everything is
such calm and beautiful balance, peace and harmony in every key, every chord
voicing; the "money area" floating out above the rest of the piano with so
much character and color....the world-class pianists I've been tuning for
over the years have definitely noticed, and commented.  I've seen the
absolute truth of Virgil Smith's statement that a solid, precise, whole-tone
musical tuning can cause a tremendous psycho-acoustic illusion in the
player----the regulation feels better, the voicing sounds better----but all
that's been done is the tuning.  Amazing.  Please understand I'm not
advocating
  failing to regulate or voice---far from it---but I'm just making a point.

  Becoming a world-class tuner will guarantee a comfortable income and big
respect in your local piano circles.
  I guarantee it.  <g>

  David Andersen
  Malibu, CA

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