steinway over hardened hammer

[Horace Greeley]

Yes...as noted, rules are defined by their exceptions.

Horace


Quoting David Love <davidlovepianos@earthlink.net>:

> While I agree that an overneedled hammer will not respond in the same
> way,
> you can usually tap some reserve out of a tensioned hammer by needling
> down
> near the staple--battery needling, I think Andre O. refers to it. I must
> say that I have never seen a hammer such as a Renner or Abel hammer, one
> that is designed to be voiced with needles rather than lacquer, and that
> has been lacquered, respond by getting louder or brighter when needling
> in
> the shoulder. The application of lacquer on these types of hammers
> usually
> ruins them. Nor have I seen a lacquered hammer (one that is designed to
> be
> lacquered) get brighter or louder with needling. If you want that type
> of
> hammer to get louder, you have to add more juice (or mass). 
>  
> David Love
> davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Horace Greeley <hgreeley@stanford.edu>
> > To: <davidlovepianos@earthlink.net>; Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Date: 5/5/2004 8:11:14 PM
> > Subject: RE: steinway over hardened hammer
> >
> >
> > Quoting David Love <davidlovepianos@earthlink.net>:
> >
> > > Needling up is not possible on a lacquered hammer. 
> >
> > Not necessarily.  As with all "rules", there are exceptions which
> define 
> > them.  Much depends on the state (type, shape, etc) of the hammer
> before
> it 
> > is hardened; and, much depends on what is used as a hardener and how.
> >
> > > On a tensioned
> > > hammer,
> > > needling the shoulders releases tension toward the crown and the
> tone
> > > will
> > > get brighter.
> >
> > Until the hammer is killed by overneedling.
> >
> > Horace
> >
> >
> >
> > > 
> > > David Love
> > > davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: John M. Formsma <john@formsmapiano.com>
> > > > To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > > Date: 5/5/2004 6:59:47 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: steinway over hardened hammer
> > > >
> > > > Andre,
> > > >
> > > > Are you talking about how judicious needling will increase the
> volume
> > > by
> > > > allowing the tone to fully develop?
> > > >
> > > > John Formsma
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ever heard of needling up?
> > > > >
> > > > > friendly greetings
> > > > > from
> > > > > André Oorebeek
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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