Differences Between Pitch Raise and Fine Tuning?

[Joe And Penny Goss]

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Hi Robert,
I will be the different one perhaps.
If the piano is 25 cents or less flat average pitch, usually it is a one =
pass pitch raise that takes me about 50 minutes followed by touchup of =
either the bass or tenor 10 minutes tops depending on what will make the =
piano sound good. If the piano is local 30 miles one way, =
stickvillehere, an apointment for a month to do string seating of top =
treble and fine tune. Further away seating and fine tune .
I am aiming to be arround 0 to 3 cents sharp or flat of 440, I would =
rather the sharp, as I find that just bumping the pin, in most cases, =
with the hammer on the pin will settle the pitch to where it is very =
stable.
Due to string breakage posibilities, 30 and larger to 100 cents takes me =
two raises, dont see much larger raises but every once in a while the =
170 raise is needed, but most of those are pianos that NEED condemed due =
to other problems.
Every time I have tried the blind pitch raise idea I have ended up being =
at that piano for hours <O:((((
So being a very lazy person------
BTW I use a SATlll.
One idea for you, is to force yourself to not fixate on the perfection =
of the unison in pitch raises, to develop your speed in fine tuning.  Do =
listen to what is going on but, join "move on . org" <G>
Joe Goss RPT
Mother Goose Tools
imatunr@srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Alan Barnard=20
  To: Pianotech=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Differences Between Pitch Raise and Fine Tuning?


  Whether you use an ETD or tune aural, you just do it fast and, =
depending where the piano pitch is, you tune a little sharp or a little =
flat. There are various fomulas for calculating pitch and ETDs have =
built-in programs to do it. You DO tune every string but you DON'T spend =
a long time doing it, trying to get every unison clean, etc.

  After awhile, you'll get where you can do it in about that much time. =
Practice practice practice .... and DON'T linger on any string trying to =
get it just right. Focus, concentrate, and MOVE. If you are a =
perfectionist this will cure you or drive you over the edge!

  Actually, I spend longer than that on most pitch corrections and find =
that the fine tuning then takes less time for me. My choice. If the move =
is maybe 20 cents or more, I'll do at least one fast pass, then a more =
careful pass, then fine tune.

  Sounds like a lot of work BUT it is better for your sanity and =
produces a better result than trying to fine tune any piano that is more =
than a few cents off. And, depending on the situation, I definitely =
CHARGE for this extra work. This--and other unknowns--is way I try to =
ALWAYS schedule pianos I am seeing for the first time either last in the =
day or at some time when I can be there longer.

  Hope it helps. Reblitz is great overview of the whole field but is =
pretty skimpy for learning tuning. You need other sources and, =
hopefully, a GOOD tunor who will mentor you or at least show you how =
it's done.

  If you are not in the guild and attending an active chapter's =
meetings, REPENT.

  Alan Barnard
  Salem, MO



  -----Original Message-----=20
  From: Robert Finley=20
  Sent: Aug 20, 2005 2:06 PM=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Subject: Differences Between Pitch Raise and Fine Tuning?=20


  I have been reading the Reblitz book and have a question about raising =
the pitch of a piano that has gone flat. On page 231 it says a pitch =
raise is a fast rough tuning, and one shouldn't spend more than about 20 =
minutes doing this. My question is what can you do in 20 minutes, and =
how does this "rough tuning" differ from a regular/fine tuning? Do you =
set the temperament, tune octaves up and down the piano, tune unisons, =
or what? If that is so, I don't see how all that can be done in only 20 =
minutes. Thank you for your help.

  Robert Finley

Salem, Missouri

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