Arledge Bass strings

[Tremaine Parsons]

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Dale,

I suppose this depends on the definition of the word "correct".

Actually, I was making a statement regarding the fact that the Sanderson =
Break % formula calculates out at about 4% higher than whatever formula =
that Del uses. Del stated that the Sanderson Break % formula was =
incorrect. I honestly don't know which is "correct" for typical modern =
wire but am willing to accept Del's postiion that most current wire has =
a higher tensile strength. So, I don't get all in a bunch if the =
Sanderson Break% formula tells me I have a note at 68% Break Point =
because by Del's calculation it would be at about 64% of Break Point.

There does not appear to any differences of opinion regarding Tension =
calculations. They calculate essentially the same.

Tremaine
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  From: Erwinspiano@aol.com=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Arledge Bass strings


    Tremaine
     Nice to hear form you. Well ,I guess if I like the sound of the old =
L strings I could simply measure I.D. & O D. , have them rerpoduced & =
just forgo the scaling altogether except I'm interested in accurate =
measurments & even tensions.. So how does one know if the tension =
programs one is using is actually the ( correct) one?
    Ari Isaac was the one I had the experience with the L strings many =
loong years ago. His scaling for my taste was always (almost way to =
heavy & irratic. In fairness he' probalby learned a few things since =
then as we all have but I never hear from any one on this list that uses =
them. I do know one can scale a stwy B set to heavy & kill the sustain & =
natural beauty of a stwy Bass end.

     AmHIK.
     Dale

    The Sanderson (Pscale) Break Percent formula calculates the top 10 =
bichords of an original Steinway L scale to be in the 55% to 67% of =
Break Point range. In fact, from what I have been able to determine, the =
Sanderson formula calculates Break Point at about 4% higher than =
whatever formula Del is using.

    Given that the tensile strength of today's wire is said to be =
higher, I just interpret the Sanderson calculation with this in mind.

    Tremaine Parsons
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      From: Delwin D Fandrich=20
      To: 'Pianotech'=20
      Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:59 PM
      Subject: RE: Arledge Bass strings


      What are you using to calculate the percentage of breaking =
strength? If it is the formula presented by Al Sanderson and used by =
Tremaine Parsons, it is incorrect.=20

      The Model Ls I've measured come to the high 50%/low 60% range. At =
least when compared to the real-world tensile strength of the wire in =
use today.

      Del



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        Sent: June 25, 2005 5:34 PM
        To: pianotech@ptg.org
        Subject: Arledge Bass strings


           List
           Speaking of strings, I've had the pleasure now of using  =
about 6 sets of the Arledge strings  & I like them very much. I like the =
neatness of the  wraps etc. But as much as this I find the tone color of =
the scaling a bit darker  thru  out but I find it especially refreshing =
in the top of the bass scales where typically many makers get a bit thin =
& whiny sounding which I believe is a tension problem.
            I haven't checked but I'd guess at a bit heavier scaling =
being employed which, in my limited scaling experience gives a darker =
tone with more power.
          IE the Old 1920's  stwy L scale in the region of notes 20 - 26 =
were scaled toward the 70% of breaking strength & they sounded awesome. =
When on occasion I have replaced sets where the tension was reduced in =
this area the tone suffers greatly. ON having it corrected the tone came =
back. I'm not finding this weakness in  the Arledge strings at present.
          I'm interested in any ones feedback be it objective or =
subjective.
           Cheers
          Dale Erwin
          Oh & I like personal service, southern hospitableness & a can =
do attitude.
         !!!!!!!!!


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