This is a multipart message in MIME format ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment The temp strip in the PTG testing is used for convenience since= we are tuning only one string per unison for the first 2 parts= of the test. PTG is certainly not endorsing temp strips. I= think a temp strip is fine as long as you're not making a pitch= change of more than a few cents. If you are using a temp strip= and learning to tune by ear, go for it. Also take everything= you read on the List with a grain of salt...;-] "quirky= saying, wonder where that comes from?" David Ilvedson, RPT Original message From: Bob Sutton To: Pianotech Received: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:11:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Using a strip wedge. Was: Moving from Uprights to= Grands Michael, are you saying that you and the profession in England= are correct and the PTG and all of the people who have passed= the RPT tests are wrong because they use a temperament strip? I= am new to this business, but this kind of information is= contrary to everything I have read in all of the PTG= publications. It is very confusing to say the least. Bob Sutton League City, TX ----- Original MMicahessage ----- From: Michael Gamble To: Avery Todd ; pianotech@ptg.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Using a strip wedge. Was: Moving from Uprights to= Grands Maybe and maybe not, Avery.. BUT... it does lay credence to the= lack of tuners coming into the field who can actually tune -= however they set about it. I believe there's also a faculty of= tuning at Newark, UK. BTW I tune the unisons "as I go" Regards from a sunny early morning on the Downs Michael G.(UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: Avery Todd To: Pianotech Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands At 10:22 AM 7/21/05, you wrote: Michael, IMO, that has nothing at all to do with the fact that he= used a temp. strip! Avery He used a felt strip and I cringed - yes... cringed.... as he= poked the felt between the strings to lay the bearings. I am= very glad ears were invented :-) Incidentally when he got to the= top all h*ll broke loose. He - had - no - idea... how to get the= top strings right - and that was after a three year course.....= How do those postal courses work if there's no-one to monitor= your results? I'm baffled. Yes... baffled. ;-) Regards from a beautiful, hot, sunny day in Sussex where there's= a "Hosepipe Ban!" now in force. Our reservoirs are running low. Michael G.(UK) (baffled) ----- Original Message ----- From: Farrell To: Pianotech Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands "It has always been looked down upon in the profession here if a= tuner still has to use a temperament strip..." What kind of an environment is it where other piano technicians= watch what another piano technician does during a tuning? I= don't think any tech has ever watched me tune a piano, and only= once have I watched someone else tune a piano. Oh, maybe another tech saw me tune years ago when I was doing= some floor tunings at a dealer. Terry Farrell ----- Original Message ----- From: Byeway222@aol.com The whole business of strip muting for either the temperament= octave or even into the further reaches of the piano has alway= been controversial here in UK. Probably like Michael I was= trained very traditionally, to discard the strip mute quite= early on and rely on one's ear for laying the temperament with= just two wedges. It has always been looked down upon in the= profession here if a tuner still has to use a temperament strip,= almost suggesting that his/her ear is not reliable enough to do= without it. The analogy being a baby's walking frame I suppose!= Because of this early influence I can actually feel 'ashamed'= if I resort to using a strip or rubber gang mute on a difficult= piano. Do i need psychoanalysis? However, I could actually= argue pretty stongly in favour of using them with very small= grands and uprights where inharmonicity is so pronounced that= setting an acceptable temperament can take more than one pass,= and using this aid would be quicker. When this topic comes= under discussion over here it is generally argued that the= temperament is not exactly the same when you return to complete= the unisons and that the whole excercise can be more time= consuming. It would be interesting to know what proportion of tuners is= 'mute free' Ric No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date:= 7/21/2005 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/97/a8/91/90/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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