Hi Ric. You ask one of those 50 thousand dollar questions... "How does the pianist experience the change ? " I have only limited experiences to relate... but these point in the direction that the change in how the pianist experiences the dynamic weight is significantly less then one would expect... tho there is more then enough change to make the effort worth while. I'm left feeling that if you are putting on a SW curve of say middle highs, then no amount of leverage changes will completely compensate for this. The pianist will still <<notice>> in some sense or another that his / her fingers are pushing around a set of heavy radius weights on the shanks. I've been thinking most of the day along these lines really. I have an old O in the shop and it has very light hammers. Mid lows to be exact. In addition it has the old flange types which bring the center pin in 1 mm closer to the hammer rail then modern Steinways do, AND it has 15 mm knuckle to center lengths origionally. Despite the low Strike weights, assist springs were required to achieve a reasonably low balance weight and static down weight. Now I am putting on a set of one quarter highs, using the origional flanges and shanks that have 16.3 knuckle to centers distance. This allows for a jack position I can live with, increases my leverage quite a bit really... and allows for the heavier hammers given the fact that I can use both assist springs and have plenty of key lead room to go on. Yet I have no doubt its going to be realllllllly difficult to get close to the origional feel of this instrument... simply because the hammers are so much heavier. I can achieve the same BW... and the same static down weight no problem... can even lower this significantly. But how much lower I need to go with these before the pianist percieves a more or less unchanged dynamic response...... well, thats whats been on my mind most of the day. That said... changing the key ratio by use of one or another of the mechanisms we've presented used judiciously can be a valuable tool in your box of touchweight tricks. That, I think is Stanwoods greatest contribution to us all.... making us aware of some of these kinds of possibilities. Lots still to be uncovered on that front me thinks. Cheers RicB Hi Ric & List, I have just spent half an hour playing around with my 3 note model having been thinking about this half punching thing on and off all day. What a saddo! My final experiment was to discard the punching and put a cente pin behind the balance pin. A 26 gauge kept the key level integrity. I couldn't believe how easily the hammer flew with the same weighting in the key. I have just come to my PC and see that RicB has already tried this as an experiment. I'm reasonably new to all this geometry business and find these relevations fascinating. One question would be, how does this change of the fulcrum with the resultant loss of 'magic line' integrity, manifest itself in feel to a pianist. Does this method of lightening DW result in an uncontrolable feel? ric
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