This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hi JOhn, Well hopefully, I'm practicing good habits, but I need to figure out = where i'm losing time and change that. One thing is muting. I'm going = to look in my schaff catelog and see if there's any kind of light, = trouble light, type of thing i can clamp on the lid of a grand or put on = an upright so I can really see the strings when I'm muting them. On = grands, the three string unisons are a little close together in the = trebble section. Have you ever had any experience with a gang mute from = Schaff? They're pretty cool looking, a long rubber mute with wedges on = it, about 13 I beleive. =20 I think my joining the PTg will be a marriage made in heaven. I can't = wait until I go tothat first meeting. =20 Marshall ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Formsma=20 To: 'Pianotech List'=20 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: RE: Upgrading..... Marshall, =20 It's important to think through the "why it works" and not just be = content with the "that it works." In other words, you have to understand = why you're doing something instead of just because someone said that's = the way to do it. When you start thinking this way, things make more = sense and you eventually become less dependent on others. =20 Put a small rubber mute in between the first and second strings or use = two large mutes - one beside the string and another against the strut. = The first way you'll be tuning the string closest to the strut, and the = second way you'll be tuning the middle string. =20 Speed will come. I remember very well when I was in the same = situation. There are several things you are working on all at once, and = it takes time for them to come together. Keep practicing, but remember = to practice correctly. Otherwise, you'll pick up bad habits. =20 John Formsma =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of pianotune05 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:12 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: Upgrading..... =20 Hi John, Sorry I gave you the impression that one stops at RPt and doesn't keep = learning. I should have mentioned that more clearly in the e-mail ,but = I was in a hurry as usual to get moving with the day. I agree, never = stoplearning. I told someone that the other day. I said that this is a = great trade, always more t o learn. =20 =20 When you say find what works, are you referring to, strip muting one = section then using mutes in another verses strip muting the entire piano = for example? I do different things especially when I get to a point on = a grant where no mute will stay because the space is so great between = the last string and the strut. I haven't figured out what to do on that = one yet. =20 =20 My biggest challange and headahce frustration aggrevation is speed. I = just cannot seem to speed up. I mean how many pianos do I have to tune = before I get past 3hours. does a little light and buzzer go off when I = reach the 2 hour mark? :)=20 =20 Well anyway, sorry I gave you the impression that I'm going to stop at = RPT an d sit back and say, ah, I'm done learning. No, I'm not done, and = that's why I asked so many questions on here and got a few upset with = me. Oh well, I guess there's nothing I can do but keep moving on and = learning.=20 Marshall ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Formsma=20 To: Pianotech List=20 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Upgrading..... =20 Marshall, First, it's important to recognize that RPT is not the "prize." It's = a recognition of proficiency, not a recognition of maximum ability. We = should go on from RPT to higher levels, both in tuning and other areas = of piano technology. Second, PTG has a number of resources available to help a person = attain the RPT goal. You've heard the saying, "practice makes perfect." That is only true = if you practice correctly. :-) So, I'd recommend using the old noodle to = think through these things rather than doing them a certain way only = because "so and so piano guru" says that's the way. Find what works, and = understand why it works. (I'm still working on that, by the way.) John Formsma pianotune05 wrote:=20 Here's another question. What can one do in order to start preparing = for the PTG exam even though it's premature or early?, ie. tune a = zillion pianos, shape a gillion hammers, rebulid a loughhead piano to = make it sound better. :) what can an assocate do, and one like myself = who is a pre associate member, I haven't been to my first meeting yet, = do in order to keep RPT as the goal the prize as far as piano tuning is = concerned in their mind? =20 Marshall=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Formsma=20 To: 'Pianotech List'=20 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: RE: Upgrading..... =20 Ron,=20 =20 I was just about to send what I wrote to Dean when your post hit = my inbox. You have said it so well that it totally eclipsed mine so I'm = not sending it now. J=20 =20 Yes, yes - there must be a way to promote excellence. And, = "Craftsman" and "Certified" are much more descriptive. I prefer either = of those to "Registered."=20 =20 Isn't it a problem that PTG comes up with the terms, but it's we = who have to do the educating? We don't have much time for that. Is there = a way PTG could educate the piano playing populace? I'm thinking, wow, = that would be hard. The first step could be beginning at the university = and piano teaching guilds, and hopefully it would filter down after a = while. But before that, you would have to demonstrate that PTG people = are generally more skilled. (There will always be exceptions, of = course.) I don't think you can do that as it is currently set up unless = you get rid of the Associate status. Wow, big situation when you start = to think about it.=20 =20 BTW, How many different places are you registered to vote in = Florida ? <g>=20 =20 John Formsma=20 =20 From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] = On Behalf Of RON MAY, RPT Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:27 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: Upgrading.....=20 =20 Hi People=20 =20 Until the day comes that the public becomes educated, aware and = demands expertise and professional performance or heaven forbid the = government becomes involved and demands licensing such as that demanded = for other trades such as plumbers and electricians, we are just = lighting a fire under and empty skillet. Now that anyone can show = themselves as a member of PTG and we have come up with "Registered" = members, which no one has the slightest idea about instead off craftsman = ratings or some other descriptive rating there is only one motivation = and that is from within.. Unfortunately not very many seem to have this = motivation or pride in their work and profession. Whether we are RPTs, = Certified Tuner Technicians,or craftsman, getting the message out is up = to we individual technicians and most of us are busy and have become = very complacent about the problem. To me Certified says a whole lot more = than registered. I'm "Registered" to vote in Florida and we all know = what that means but obviously some don't know how to do it.=20 =20 We as PTG just continue to shoot ourselves in the foot on this = issue. Something needs to be done and it needs to become a priority.=20 =20 Ron May =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Avery=20 To: Pianotech List=20 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:37 PM=20 Subject: Re: Upgrading.....=20 =20 This subject HAS been on ptg-L. For DAYS!!!!!!!!!! Weeks? :-(=20 Avery=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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