Marshall, If you're going to do the Digest, would you PLEASE delete all the "hundreds" of messages included with the one you're replying to! :-) Thanks. Avery At 07:21 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: >This message has been processed by Symantec's AntiVirus Technology. > >Unknown00000000.data was not scanned for viruses because too many >nested levels of files were found. > > >For more information on antivirus tips and technology, visit >http://ses.symantec.com/ >Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) > by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP > id <20070205132113m1500q0dr6e>; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:21:13 +0000 >Received: from [71.201.224.37] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; > Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:21:13 +0000 >From: pianotune05 at comcast.net >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1284, Issue 29 >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:21:13 +0000 >Message-Id: ><020520071321.2386.45C72F48000E3183000009522200750784CACF0A029A9B01020E079F at comcast.net> >X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) >X-Authenticated-Sender: cGlhbm90dW5lMDVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2386_1170681673_0" > >Hi Shawn, >That's the problem. I don't kow what the tool is. I just know it was >invented by William Faulkner a blind tech. ere in Chicag who is now >past away. I know it was a tool designed for blind piano >tuners. Hopefully, when I run into the woman again in church next >week, she'll have some ideas. How's everything in Washington, feel >free to e-mail privately and let me know. Thanks. >Marshall > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: pianotech-request at ptg.org > > > This message has been processed by Symantec's AntiVirus Technology. > > > > Unknown00000000.data was not scanned for viruses because too many > nested levels > > of files were found. > > > > > > For more information on antivirus tips and technology, visit > http://ses.symantec.com/ > >From: pianotech-request at ptg.org >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1284, Issue 29 >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:13:15 +0000 >Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; > boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2386_1170681673_2" > >Received: from ptg.org ([206.168.112.210]) > by rwcrmxc24.comcast.net (rwcrmxc24) with ESMTP > id <20070205071247r2400hr983e>; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:12:47 +0000 >X-Originating-IP: [206.168.112.210] >Received: from ptg.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by ptg.org (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l157BmCp001468; > Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:11:49 -0700 (MST) >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0851695702==" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From: pianotech-request at ptg.org >Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1284, Issue 29 >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Reply-To: pianotech at ptg.org >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:11:17 -0700 >Message-ID: <mailman.472.1170659477.27129.pianotech at ptg.org> >X-BeenThere: pianotech at ptg.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 >Precedence: list >Sender: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org >Errors-To: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org > >Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech at ptg.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request at ptg.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of (firmin1) > 2. Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of (Cy Shuster) > 3. Inharmonicity (Paul Milkie) > 4. Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of (Hechler Family) > 5. Re: I'm seeking a piano tning tool for the blind (Shawn Brock) > 6. RE: pianists at utube (Dean May) > 7. Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of (Ron Berry) > 8. RE: I'm seeking a piano tning tool for the blind > (Diane Hofstetter) > 9. In floor radiant heating (jimialeggio5 at comcast.net) > 10. Re: pianists at utube (Cy Shuster) > 11. Cline piano fall knobs. (R Barber) > 12. RE: Inharmonicity (Kerry Cooper) > 13. RE: Cline piano fall knobs. (Paul McCloud) > >From: "firmin1" <firmin1 at bellsouth.net> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: <640977.30923.qm at web83012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:23:26 -0600 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <00c901c748b3$78ec0cb0$6101a8c0 at yourkkxx5rxwd9> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C74881.2E0C7D60" >Subject: Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of >Message: 1 > >An old pipe-organ tuners trick is to use a dollar bill as >"sandpaper" to polish the beating reed faces in reed pipes. The >intaglio printing ink is just raised enough to provide the right abrasion. > >Berley >From: "Cy Shuster" <cy at shusterpiano.com> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: <640977.30923.qm at web83012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > <00c901c748b3$78ec0cb0$6101a8c0 at yourkkxx5rxwd9> >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:34:10 -0700 >Reply-To: Cy Shuster <cy at shusterpiano.com>, Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <01c201c748d6$7fddc4f0$6549a8c0 at BUSTER> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C7489B.D3126F80" >Subject: Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of >Message: 2 > >The strike strip on a matchbook can be handy for a fine sandpaper. > >--Cy-- > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From: Paul Milkie <pgmilkie at yahoo.com> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:49:40 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <701729.3337.qm at web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Subject: Inharmonicity >Message: 3 > >David, in Australia; >Inharmonicity is the discrepancy between the >theoretical frequencies of partials and their actual >frequencies.With the exception of the first >partial(the fundamental), the partials of piano tone >are sharper than their theoretical >frequencies, which would be exact multiples of the >fundamental. This necessitates tuning octaves wider >than theoretical in order to obtain an acceptable >compromise of these discrepancies. The first partial >of A4 is tuned to 0 cents deviation, but all notes >above it are tuned increasingly sharper,and all notes >below it are tuned increasingly flatter than what they >would be theoretically. The result is the piano's >stretch. >(P.50 of the Verituner 100 user guide). > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: Hechler Family <dahechler at charter.net> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: ><640977.30923.qm at web83012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ><00c901c748b3$78ec0cb0$6101a8c0 at yourkkxx5rxwd9> > <01c201c748d6$7fddc4f0$6549a8c0 at BUSTER> >In-Reply-To: <01c201c748d6$7fddc4f0$6549a8c0 at BUSTER> >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:14:26 -0600 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <45C6AF22.3080601 at charter.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Subject: Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of >Message: 4 > >Maybe - Vinegar dissolves hide glue > >-- >Duaine Hechler >Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ >Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding >Associate Member of the Piano Technicians Guild >Reed Organ Society Member >St. Louis, MO 63034 >(314) 838-5587 >dahechler at charter.net >www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > > > >From: "Shawn Brock" <shawn_brock at comcast.net> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: ><020420072156.595.45C6567800048384000002532209229927CACF0A029A9B01020E079F at comcast.net> >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:25:08 -0500 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <005601c748dd$9f10f750$73cdec47 at shawn64xrm2jys> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C748B3.B595FCC0" >Subject: Re: I'm seeking a piano tning tool for the blind >Message: 5 > >What is this tool? We can probably track it down for ya. I just >need to know its function. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:pianotune05 at comcast.net>pianotune05 at comcast.net >To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org ; ><mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org >Cc: <mailto:pianotech-request at ptg.org>pianotech-request at ptg.org >Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:56 PM >Subject: I'm seeking a piano tning tool for the blind > >Hi Everyone, >I'm still here reading the posts as I get time. I continue to be >active in learning this craft tuning and enjoying every minute of >it. I have a quick question. > >I met someone who attends my church who's uncle , a blind piano >tuner, invented and patened a tool for the blind which was designed >to make tuning easier. He's no longer alive, but his name was >William Faulkner from Chicago, not the author from Missippi. Does >anyone know about this tool and where I can find it/purchase it? Thanks >Marshall > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: pianotech-request at ptg.org > > > Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to > > pianotech at ptg.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > pianotech-request at ptg.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Dean May" <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "'Pianotech List'" <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: <000601c747d6$d2ae4c00$5e01000a at Moondrain> > <3.0.6.32.20070204125655.00931c20 at accesscomm.ca> >In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20070204125655.00931c20 at accesscomm.ca> >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:42:40 -0500 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <008001c748e0$11c5d340$6500a8c0 at Monica> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: RE: pianists at utube >Message: 6 > >Don wrote: This is the first time ever I've wished I had more than a dialup >connection to the net! >http://youtube.com/watch?v=49gXA9hALPs > >Robin wrote: THIS video will probably make go straight out and build your >very own cable network just to get the high speed.... >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOXO4WcBkuo&NR >80-something years old and still has fluid technique like that..... has to >be seen to be believed.......... > > > >Dean wants to know: Okay, all you voicers out there, I would love to know >your evaluation of the voicing of these two intruments. The piano Pogorelich >plays seems really harsh to me, and the one Horowitz plays has nice color, >but seems a little on the bright side. > >So tell me (and the rest of us voicing novices on the list) how you would >voice them differently. Maybe even what hammer you think would work best on >these two instruments. > > >Thanks, > >Dean > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >From: "Ron Berry" <ron at berrypiano.com> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: <640977.30923.qm at web83012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, > <00c901c748b3$78ec0cb0$6101a8c0 at yourkkxx5rxwd9> >In-Reply-To: <00c901c748b3$78ec0cb0$6101a8c0 at yourkkxx5rxwd9> >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:37:51 -0500 >Reply-To: ron at berrypiano.com, Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <45C66E4F.7068.BE6507 at ron.berrypiano.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: Re: Here's one NOBODY ever heard of >Message: 7 > >The joke among organ builders is to use a dollar bill unless it is an Aeolian >Skinner organ, then you need a $20 bill. > >ron > >On 4 Feb 2007 at 17:23, firmin1 wrote: > > > > > An old pipe-organ tuners trick is to use a dollar bill as > "sandpaper" to polish the beating reed faces > > in reed pipes. The intaglio printing ink is just raised enough to > provide the right abrasion. > > > > Berley > >---------------------- >Ron Berry Piano Service >Indianapolis, IN 46220 >317-255-8213 >ron at berrypiano.com >http://www.berrypiano.com > > > > >From: "Diane Hofstetter" <dianepianotuner at msn.com> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: pianotech at ptg.org >In-Reply-To: ><020420072156.595.45C6567800048384000002532209229927CACF0A029A9B01020E079F at comcast.net> >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:47:51 -0800 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <BAY111-F38D9585EF4A184C2FAEB22A3980 at phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Subject: RE: I'm seeking a piano tning tool for the blind >Message: 8 > >Hi Marshall, > >The folks at the Piano Hospital, the school for teaching piano >tuning to the blind, would probably know. They specialize in tools >and methods to make the work more accessible. > >Diane > > > >Diane Hofstetter > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: pianotune05 at comcast.net >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org, pianotech at ptg.org >CC: pianotech-request at ptg.org >Subject: I'm seeking a piano tning tool for the blind >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:56:08 +0000 > >Hi Everyone, >I'm still here reading the posts as I get time. I continue to be >active in learning this craft tuning and enjoying every minute of >it. I have a quick question. > >I met someone who attends my church who's uncle , a blind piano >tuner, invented and patened a tool for the blind which was designed >to make tuning easier. He's no longer alive, but his name was >William Faulkner from Chicago, not the author from Missippi. Does >anyone know about this tool and where I can find it/purchase it? Thanks >Marshall > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: pianotech-request at ptg.org > > > Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to > > pianotech at ptg.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > pianotech-request at ptg.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: pianotech-request at ptg.org >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1284, Issue 26 >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:02:48 +0000 >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Inharmonicity (Don) > 2. Action modification results. (Jon Page) > 3. Re: Grand damper jigs (Farrell) > 4. Re: buzzing on piano (Mike Kurta) > 5. In floor radiant heating (jimialeggio5 at comcast.net) > 6. Re: teacher evaluations (Ron Nossaman) > 7. Re: Good Old Upright Fix- try this one. (Ron Nossaman) > 8. Inharmonicity (Israel Stein) > 9. Re: A Good Old Upright Fix..AND SPINET FIX! (KeyKat88 at aol.com) > 10. Re: A Good Old Upright Fix..AND SPINET FIX! (Don) > 11. Re: buzzing on piano (David Andersen) > 12. Re: In floor radiant heating (David Andersen) > 13. Inharmonicity (RicB) > 14. Inharmonicity (RicB) > 15. Re: Inharmonicity (Patrick Poulson) > 16. pianists at utube (Don) > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: Inharmonicity >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:55:33 >Hi Phillip, > >The difference is that as a violin is being bowed (in theory) energy is >being added which allows the inharmonicity to be near zero. Plucking the >string and allowing it to decay allows for *lots* of inharmonicity. > >At 04:15 PM 2/4/2007 +0100, you wrote: > >Robert, > > > >I wonder why a violin would, less than a piano, have inharmonicity... > >It has exactly the same mechanical reasons as a piano to have it, hasn't it > >? > > > >I would understand that it has less inharmonicity because, violin's string > >are less stiff than piano strings, but it still should have some... > > > >Philippe >Regards, >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. >Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat > >mailto:pianotuna at yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ > >3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 >306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Action modification results. >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:57:48 -0500 >In the past few months, I've had 2 Young Changs and 1 Samick come >through the shop. Great improvements have been made on all in >regards to action geometry but I didn't document until this last YC. > >a. original survey >b. Reshape hammers/taper/re-arc tails >c. move knuckles out 1mm on shank to 18.5mm >d. move stack back 3mm >e. alter FW to target 38 BW > >Survey of C4 > UW DW BW F SW FW SBR >a 32 60 46 14 10.9 32 6.4 >b 26 52 39 13 9.9 32 6.3 >c 24 44 34 10 9.9 32 5.8 >d 22 38 30 8 9.9 32 5.4 >e 30 46 38 8 9.9 24 5.4 > >Description: > >a. The piano was difficult to play, one reason the owner sold it, > he wanted a lighter action and decided to go for a digital. > BTW this also is a PianoDisc. > >b. Hammers were in the high top range. Reshape, square the tail > to the shank, taper width 10.5mm at top 7.5mm at tail. Remove > staple (.2g) from notes 64 and up to reduce shoulders. > Ending at 3/4 medium range. (at #64, SW increase jump) > >c. Knuckle core aligned forwards of jack center pin. Action spread 113.5, > no room to shorten spread because the jack was already forward of > center on the let off button and capstan was on the rear of the cushion. > Height of wippen rail OK. Jacks were burying into the rep stop felt even > with 9.5mm dip and 48mm blow. I expected a greater difference. > [In retrospect, I might have eliminated this procedure but I didn't like > the angle between the jack and shank at rest. The knuckles > were relatively > loose in the slot so no damage was done in removal and I reused them. > A veneer shim was glued in alongside the core upon > reinstallation. Then the > final survey (e) might have appeared something like this: > 30,46,38,11,9.9,29,5.9] > >d. The capstans were on the rear portion of the cushion felt and behind > the Magic Line. The bass and tenor hammers were at odd angles > on the rail > to fit the strings. Relocated stack back 3mm to align capstan > on cushion center > and Magic Line. This also improved the strike point in the > treble although I had > to move the keyframe forwards .75mm (predetermined before > stack location). > The bass and tenor hammers spaced to the strings with the shanks at > more comfortable angles to the rail and wippens. > >e. Plays like a dream with minimal after touch. The FW is still >high but without > assist spring wippens there's not much else to do. 10mm dip, 45mm blow. > Fortunately the hammers allowed for needle voicing which > brought it right down. > I think that even the PianoDisc operates better. > >Due to reducing the action ratio, the letoff buttons had to be >turned up to nearly >maximum. This probably will cause some difficulty in their adjustment once the >hammers become worn. For the next job, I'll either remove the buttons and >remove ~3 to 4mm from the bottom or install wippens which have a wider angle >between the fly and tender; perhaps one with a screw adjust spring >similar to the >Tokiwa M&H wippen, if not that wip with appropriate flange (preferred option). >I need to pull out the parts kit for comparisons. > >The Samick came out best of all because I was able to apply a >Stanwood TouchDesign >since it had the spring assist wippen already (no screw adjust :-( >This needed to have >the stack moved back, knuckles moved out on the the shanks, wippen rail raised >1.5mm and spread increased to 114mm, hammer weight reduction with >shaping/tapering/arcing. > > >NEXT ! > > >Regards, > >Jon Page > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: Grand damper jigs >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:11:56 -0500 >Jig, or piano itself. Eyeballing doesn't cut it here. > >Terry Farrell > ----- Original Message ----- > > When I re-felt a set of grand damper heads, I always use jigs > when gluing on monochord, bichord, and 2 trichord pieces. The jig > aligns the front and back pieces so that they're perfectly in line > with each other- -this makes regulation much easier. It's hard > enough to do an A-1 damper job normally, but to try to do it when > the front and rear dampers don't line up on some damper heads is > near impossible. Is the use of jigs common among technicians, or am > I the odd ball out there? > > Jesse Gitnik - NYC > Since 1980 > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Mike Kurta" <mkurta at adelphia.net> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: buzzing on piano >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:11:56 -0500 > You can fashion a diagnostic tool by making a wooden tapered > wedge and tapping it lightly in place between the soundboard and > beams in various places. I've found this helps to narrow the area > to the source of the buzz, and may even eliminate it if all else fails. > Mike Kurta > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: jimialeggio5 at comcast.net >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: In floor radiant heating >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:04:30 +0000 >Cy > >There are different radiant heat systems, but the >key is they heat by the same wave form mechanism. > >The sun is a radiant heat source. You stand in the sun >and feel warmer irrespective of the ambiant temperature. > >In all these radiant systems, whether it is radiant panels on >the walls or cielings or floors, the heat mechanism is wave forms >heating the objects first which then heat the air by conduction. The heat >does not progress from the floor and then rise to ceiling except secondarily >as the warm objects themselves heat the air by conduction. Thus convection in >radiantly heated homes is seriously reduced, which leads to the comfort factor >associated with radiant systems. > >Forced hot air, baseboard heat, etc heat the air which then heats the >objects by conduction. ie much convection, much air movement. > >Since the radiant systems heat objects (including people's personal >objectified bodies) the temp of the building is often comfortable at a >lower themostat setting....assuming not too leaky a building. > >If the radiant heat is installed in a leaky building, the radiant surfaces >will need to be warmer than in a less leaky building. In addition,with >greater amount of dry (absolute Humidity) air coursing through the >building because of the leaky nature of the building, the RH will drop... >this is where the moisture EMC problem with pianos, furniture and people's >sinus's occurs...not necessarily the heat source. > >Jim I > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: l-bartlett at sbcglobal.net, Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: teacher evaluations >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:21:52 -0600 > >>There is a guy who runs around this area of the country "rebuilding" pianos. >>A one time client of mine paid $3500 for a Chickering 7' which was neither >>playable nor tuneable when I was asked to tune the thing. Fortunately I >>managed to convince them to talk to a good local rebuilder, and they coughed >>up the additional bucks to have it completely redone. After all was said >>and done they had a concert level instrument for vastly less than concert >>cost. But it was a bitter pill for them. The guy who has ripped off a lot >>of people is named Lovett, and evidently his reputation spreads over more >>than just the state of Texas. We've all likely had to pronounce "dead" a >>number of things people thought were still pianos......... >>les bartlett > >Back in the early 80s he used to come through Wichita a couple of >times a year and buy up any junk pianos the local technicians had >managed to get stuck with, or finally decided they'd never get >around to, and haul them back to Texas. We got a kick out of >watching him load those big old uprights by himself, and wondered >how he could possibly do even 10% of the work these pianos needed >and be able to sell them for what he had in them. We decided he must >be doing only 5% and refinishing them. Looks like we might have been >right. I don't know how far north he ranged, but there must be >thousands of expired pianos in Texas that he single handedly rounded >up and hauled back. > >He did a cheap refinish job or two for one of the local techs as well. > >Was the Chickering refinished? Was the job decent, or at least acceptable? >Ron N > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: Good Old Upright Fix- try this one. >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:30:22 -0600 > > >>You made me giggle Ron, but I'd be ROFL if it weren't so darn close >>to the truth! > > >Sad but true. >Ron N > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Israel Stein <custos3 at comcast.net> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Inharmonicity >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:28:05 -0800 >At 07:49 AM 2/4/2007, Robert Scott wrote: >>>RicB said: "Inharmonicity is a distinctive characteristic of pianos." >>>Ric, >>>I competely disagree. All instruments have inharmonicity; just >>>less than the piano. >>>Joe >>Well, not exactly. A pipe organ does not have any inharmonicity. >>Neither does a violin (when it is being bowed). These instruments >>produce true harmonics that are exactly multiples of their >>fundamentals. And some instruments have more inharmonicity than a >>piano - like for instance chimes. >> >>Robert Scott >>Ypsilanti, Michigan > >Sorry, Robert. > >You are correct about the organ, but incorrect about the violin. >Inharmonicity is a property of vibrating strings, caused by >stiffness of the material of which the strings are made. Stiffness >causes a distortion of the string's vibration at the termination >points - there is a part of the string that is more or less >straight, before the "waves" can start. The result is that those >sections of the vibrating string (1/2, 1/3, 1/4) etc. that give rise >to the overtones (or partials above the first) are shortened to a >greater proportion of their length by that distortion as one goes up >the overtone series. If the distorted section of string is, say, 2 >mm - that is a greater proportion of 1/4 of the string than of the >whole string. This is what gives rise to inharmonicity - a shorter >section produces a higher frequency, and so the higher you go up the >overtone series, the sharper is the partial relative to the previous ones. > >The stiffer the string, the greater the distortion - and therefore, >the inharmonicity. > >Stiffness is affected by three factors: density of the string >material, thickness of the string and tension of the string. To have >a string with zero inharmonicity, you must have a string with zero >stiffness which is impossible, since that would require a string >made of something with zero density, of zero thickness under no tension... > >Since the modern piano uses very thick steel strings (some with >copper windings) under a great deal of tension, its inharmonicity is >through the roof and requires special treatment in tuning. In >violins, on the other hand, the inharmonicity is negligible - thin >strings under low tension... > >Israel Stein > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: KeyKat88 at aol.com >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: A Good Old Upright Fix..AND SPINET FIX! >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:51:36 EST >Greetings. > > It looks as if many pianos were burned in that spot!....ANY SPINETS? > >Julia >Reading PA > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: A Good Old Upright Fix..AND SPINET FIX! >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:02:52 >Hi Julia, > >I was under the impression that spinets always burned--the customer that is. > >At 11:51 AM 2/4/2007 EST, you wrote: > > Greetings. It looks as if many pianos were burned in that > >spot!....ANY SPINETS? Julia >Regards, >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. >Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat > >mailto:pianotuna at yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ > >3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 >306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: buzzing on piano >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:49:43 -0800 >Ooohhh, great tip, Mike. Into the "crucial" file this goes. Thanks. >xoxDA > >On Feb 4, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Mike Kurta wrote: >> You can fashion a diagnostic tool by making a wooden >> tapered wedge and tapping it lightly in place between the >> soundboard and beams in various places. I've found this helps to >> narrow the area to the source of the buzz, and may even eliminate >> it if all else fails. >> Mike Kurta > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: In floor radiant heating >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:56:41 -0800 >Clear. Simple. Bam. Thank you, o mystery guest. WHO ARE YOU, JIM >I? Some educated Rastafarian shaman from another dimension? Please >tell us about yourself and your piano story/passion/business. >Best, and welcome---- >David Andersen >Malibu, California > > >>If the radiant heat is installed in a leaky building, the radiant surfaces >>will need to be warmer than in a less leaky building. In addition,with >>greater amount of dry (absolute Humidity) air coursing through the >>building because of the leaky nature of the building, the RH will drop... >>this is where the moisture EMC problem with pianos, furniture and people's >>sinus's occurs...not necessarily the heat source. > >>Jim I > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: RicB <ricb at pianostemmer.no> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Inharmonicity >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:58:22 +0100 >Hi Joe > >You are of course completely free to disagree. But it might be nice >if you made sure at least who you were disagreeing with. The quote >you disagree with below is taken from a quote I took off the >Netherlands based Bonemens website and represents their views, >written as they understand english language usage, to express what >they meant. (which probably did not go along the lines of ><<distinctive>> in any <<exclusive>> sense of the word. > >I believe, if you re-read my post.... the quotation is clearly >marked and author appropriately denoted. > >Cheers >RicB > > > RicB said: "Inharmonicity is a distinctive characteristic of pianos." > > Ric, > I competely disagree. All instruments have inharmonicity; just less > than the piano. > Joe > > > Joe Garrett, R.P.T. > Captain of the Tool Police > Squares R I > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: RicB <ricb at pianostemmer.no> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Inharmonicity >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:03:45 +0100 >Sheesh .... dont you guys know what a quotation is and means ? > >take a gander at the post where I supposedly said as Joe claims: > > RicB said: "Inharmonicity is a distinctive characteristic of pianos." > > >http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/2007-February/201378.html > >Now tell me again who said what.... :) > >Cheers >RicB > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Patrick Poulson" <pcpoulson at sbcglobal.net> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: Re: Inharmonicity >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:15:01 -0800 >This statement says that inharmonicity is a distinctive >characteristic of pianos, not and exclusive one. Big difference is >meaning there! >Patrick C. Poulson >Registered Piano Technician >Piano Technicians Guild > >> RicB said: "Inharmonicity is a distinctive characteristic of pianos." > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca> >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Subject: pianists at utube >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:56:55 >Hi Folks, > >This is the first time ever I've wished I had more than a dialup connection >to the net! > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=49gXA9hALPs > >Enjoy! >Regards, >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. >Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat > >mailto:pianotuna at yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ > >3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 >306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Pianotech list info https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > >From: jimialeggio5 at comcast.net >Precedence: list >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:39:11 +0000 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: ><020520070539.24922.45C6C2FF000D87BF0000615A2207001641CA010709090A040E07030706 at comcast.net> >Subject: In floor radiant heating >Message: 9 > >Ah yes.... who am I... ahem... > >I am a pianist/composer who has chosen to make his living as a >artisan woodworker... >I work in my own woodshop (Boston area) and am basically a master >woodworker, really knowing >wood, how to work it and how it behaves...For work I've been >reproducing historic >windows, curved and so forth for the last 20 years in my 1 man shop >at the top end of the >this particular niche, slowly working my way over to piano >rebuilding/redesign, with a particular >interest in small grands(believe it or not). > >I am slowly going through a self-directed apprenticeship in piano >rebuilding/redesign... >By self-directed I mean the woodworking and engineering skills are >already highly developed, >but I'm carefully selecting who I want to help fill in pieces of the >piano knowledge base >that need developing. To that end, I'm in the Boston chapter and >also have access to the >NH chapter, so I can fit particular questions to rebuilders with >particular strengths. Also had >Del Fandrich do a full redesign (board, rib scale, optimised string >scale, new treble and bass >bridges) of a Chickering 122 which I am completely rebuilding as a >learning tool..very helpful. >As well, I'm combing the archives for morsels, and reading anything >I can get my hands on, >and bugging techs as necessary. > >Along those lines, I asked Del a couple of weeks ago to consider >offering a week long >redesign workshop, ie, not so much the hands on part of how to build >the design, but the >engineering/artistic concepts behind the spreadsheets and designs. > >If any body else is interested in something like this, if Del knew >there was in interest, it > might convince him to seriously consider doing it...maybe.. > >Anyway, that's the short of it. Thanks for asking. > >Jim I > > > > > > >Clear. Simple. Bam. Thank you, o mystery guest. WHO ARE YOU, JIM I? >Some educated Rastafarian shaman from another dimension? Please tell >us about yourself and your piano story/passion/business. >Best, and welcome---- >David Andersen >Malibu, California > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Cy Shuster" <cy at shusterpiano.com> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: ><000601c747d6$d2ae4c00$5e01000a at Moondrain><3.0.6.32.20070204125655.00931c20 at accesscomm.ca> > <008001c748e0$11c5d340$6500a8c0 at Monica> >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:48:15 -0700 >Reply-To: Cy Shuster <cy at shusterpiano.com>, Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <024501c748e9$3b6dcd20$6549a8c0 at BUSTER> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original >Subject: Re: pianists at utube >Message: 10 > >The Pogorelich piano should have the hammers put back on. It sounds >like the shanks hitting the strings -- positively harspichordean. > >--Cy-- > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean May" <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com> >To: "'Pianotech List'" <pianotech at ptg.org> >Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:42 PM >Subject: RE: pianists at utube > >>Dean wants to know: Okay, all you voicers out there, I would love to know >>your evaluation of the voicing of these two intruments. The piano Pogorelich >>plays seems really harsh to me, and the one Horowitz plays has nice color, >>but seems a little on the bright side. >> >>So tell me (and the rest of us voicing novices on the list) how you would >>voice them differently. Maybe even what hammer you think would work best on >>these two instruments. >> >> >>Thanks, >> >>Dean > > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: R Barber <bassooner42 at yahoo.com> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:51:19 -0800 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <45C6C5D7.80505 at yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Subject: Cline piano fall knobs. >Message: 11 > >My customer needs replacement fallboard knobs, a pair, for his model >53 upright, walnut finish. Schaff, etc. doesn't seem to stock the >type necessary for this piano- as there are machine screws sticking >out of the fall. > >Cline piano's coltonpiano.com email address as listed on the PTG >website bounced- no phone number listed either. >Any suggestions would be helpful- tomorrow I'll be touring local >hardware stores. > > Thanks, >Richard Barber > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Kerry Cooper" <brispiano at optushome.com.au> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "'Pianotech List'" <pianotech at ptg.org> >References: <701729.3337.qm at web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >In-Reply-To: <701729.3337.qm at web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:26:09 +1000 >Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: ><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAM+ZIUh3M3VGuzJBBL4oEpzCgAAAEAAAACNfS924qYBGivBO9GZwzrgBAAAAAA==@optushome.com.au> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII" >Subject: RE: Inharmonicity >Message: 12 > >Paul, > >I am sure that David Lawson knows what 'Inharmonicity' means. As he has been >in the industry for over 45 years, and has worked for Steinway London. What >he was saying is that it is not in the Macquarie Dictionary. Don't jump to >conclusions!! >The Microsoft Dictionary does not like it either!! > >Kerry Cooper ARPT >Brisbane Piano Centre >ph: +617-3809-0652 >Fax: +617-3809-4699 >email: brispiano at optushome.com.au > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of Paul Milkie >Sent: Monday, 5 February 2007 1:50 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Inharmonicity > >David, in Australia; >Inharmonicity is the discrepancy between the theoretical frequencies of >partials and their actual frequencies.With the exception of the first >partial(the fundamental), the partials of piano tone are sharper than their >theoretical frequencies, which would be exact multiples of the fundamental. >This necessitates tuning octaves wider than theoretical in order to obtain >an acceptable compromise of these discrepancies. The first partial of A4 is >tuned to 0 cents deviation, but all notes above it are tuned increasingly >sharper,and all notes below it are tuned increasingly flatter than what they >would be theoretically. The result is the piano's stretch. >(P.50 of the Verituner 100 user guide). > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >________ >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 > > > >From: "Paul McCloud" <pmc033 at earthlink.net> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:11:26 -0800 >Reply-To: pmc033 at earthlink.net, Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org> >Message-ID: <380-2200721571126140 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: RE: Cline piano fall knobs. >Message: 13 > >Richard: >Some of the knobs from Schaff have machine threads in them, and are >supplied with attaching threaded screws that are machine threaded (for the >knob), and the other end wood threaded (for the wooden fallboard). When >you order, the threaded screws are separate from the knobs. Perhaps the >knobs would actually screw right onto the existing machine screws. >Alternatively, you could remove the machine screws and plug the holes, then >redrill for the wood screw type knobs. >FWIW. >Paul McCloud >San Diego > > > [Original Message] > > From: R Barber <bassooner42 at yahoo.com> > > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > > Date: 02/04/2007 10:53:37 PM > > Subject: Cline piano fall knobs. > > > > My customer needs replacement fallboard knobs, a pair, for his model 53 > > upright, walnut finish. Schaff, etc. doesn't seem to stock the type > > necessary for this piano- as there are machine screws sticking out of > > the fall. > > > > Cline piano's coltonpiano.com email address as listed on the PTG website > > bounced- no phone number listed either. > > > > Any suggestions would be helpful- tomorrow I'll be touring local > > hardware stores. > > > > Thanks, > > Richard Barber > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Pianotech list info https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20070205/d59ecbae/attachment-0001.html
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