Hi Allen Hey, grin... what can I say ? I use Tunelab all the time myself. But then I use it a bit differently then most folks use an ETD. I think an ETD's have several very valuable aspects and I really rather think they should be in everyones tool box at this point. But they do have their pitfalls. What doesnt when you think about it ? The old Chinese Ying and Yang applies everywhere yes ? I'll also be in the front ranks of those who simply sneer at the use of an ETD without further ado... so I'll line right up with you there shoulder to shoulder if someone comes from that camp. Its kinda sad we get all into the confrontational bit of this ETD / Ear tuning discussion when ever it comes up. Because there are in reality some interesting and valuable perspectives it would do us all good to keep ourselves refreshed on / reminded about / rethink from time to time. And I think it would be good for newbies coming up to see the more disspassionate sides of what could be a thought provoking and helpful exchange of ideas between old hands and themselves. As far as David Andersen is concerned. I just know the guy well enough to know he has one of the friendly spirits around. He was kind enough to remind me a few years back of the rewards of being less confrontational in discussions on the list. And his record here and out in the world of pianos speaks for itself and speaks very highly IMHO. Cheers Allen RicB Fair enough, Rick - I should have read David's post more carefully. Still, it seems that often the onus of proof seems to be on people who use ETD's. As one who tuned for 18 years strictly aurally, and now 9 years using Reyburn Cybertuner along with my ears (hybrid tuning), that's just hard for me to relate to. I suppose I've encountered too many tuners who've never even tried ETD's, yet feel they can pronounce blanket negative judgements on the use of them. That's where I'm coming from... Respectfully, Allen
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