etd's and ears

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Fair enough, Rick - I should have read David's post more carefully.  
Still, it seems that often the onus of proof seems to be on people  
who use ETD's. As one who tuned for 18 years strictly aurally, and  
now 9 years using Reyburn Cybertuner along with my ears (hybrid  
tuning), that's just hard for me to relate to. I suppose I've  
encountered too many tuners who've never even tried ETD's, yet feel  
they can pronounce blanket negative judgements on the use of them.  
That's where I'm coming from...

Respectfully,

Allen
On 15 Feb 2007, at 22:32, RicB wrote:

> Allen and others who jumped all over Davids post.
>
> I respectfully would ask that you look closer at what David  
> actually said.  No where did he imply anything close to the idea  
> that an artistic tuning effort was not possible without an ears  
> only approach. In fact... what he did say was two things  ... the  
> first being... and I quote
>
>    "Now:  I've heard beautiful, soaring tunings by strictly aural
>    tuners, and by tuners who were using an ETD as a helpful tool."
>
> That seems pretty clear to me... rather the exact opposite of what  
> he has been accused of twice now. He THEN goes ON to say... and I  
> once again quote
>
>    "The tunings I've heard that were strictly by looking at the wheel
>    or  the dial or whatever---to me---suck. Average. Brittle- 
> sounding."
>
> Which also is pretty clear, and fairly (as in fair play) qualified  
> by the condition "the ones he's heard".  I have to admit I also  
> have yet to hear what I would call a very fine tuning artistic or  
> otherwise done by someone, anyone who has no use of their ears  
> whatsoever.  I dont think I would use the termage "they suck"...  
> but hey thats more a matter of semantics then anything else.   
> Perhaps a bit over emphasized.
>
> He finishes off with a perfectly fair observation which is in my  
> book just as ridiculous to attempt to deny as it is to try and say  
> there are ear tuners out there that dont give a hoot about their  
> job either.  One more direct quote
>
>    "I think a lot of people use ETDs because they're not confident  
> in    their ears' ability to get the job done.  This is just  
> speculation,    but I think there's some truth there."
>
> There is no doubt about it some truth in this statement.  By no  
> means does that say anything in particular about anyone in  
> particular... but just so.
>
> Strikes me that both ETD enthusiasts and ear tuning enthusiasts  
> need to be able to admit the inherent limitations, weaknesses,  and  
> potential pitfalls each approach have inherent in them.
>
> Heck guys.... its just a discussion.  David Andersens dedication to  
> quality and the pursuit of self betterment in our trade is beyond  
> question.
>
> Cheers
> RicB
>
>
>
>
>    David,
>
>    I respectfully disagree with the whole tenor of your posting.  
> I     believe this idea that tuning can only be done artistically  
> by     someone using ears alone, without utilizing an ETD as any  
> part of the     process, is unfortunate and limiting. To me it  
> borders on a  sort of     romanticizing mystification. ETD's are a  
> tool, like anything else;     they can be a great addition to and  
> extension of our senses.
>
>    I believe what you say about your passion for the artistic  
> nature of     the tuning process and respect that. But I hope you  
> won't try to     define what that artistry must involve for myself  
> or others.
>
>    Sincerely,
>
>    Allen Wright, RPT
>    London, UK
>







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