So all this talk got me to thinkin'... This tuning process becomes a self-reinforced feedback loop. We create something using a specific series of checks. Then to test the result, we use the same series of checks... The variable in the equation is - the tech. Now there are techs happy with this aural approach, or that aural approach, tunelab, Korg, Strobe, RCT, SAT and Verituner - all which can produce different final results, all proven and checked by the specific tech in question. The clients too, get trained to expect a certain sound preferred by their tech. Add to that the preferred differences between ET and the whole gamut of alternate temperament views .... Remember the whole arguement that most aural techs aren't able to tune anything BUT a mild reverse well temperament? (I'd have to agree to finding many, many examples of that around here.) So... What makes a great tuning? We can't seem to agree on octaves. There's the direct reference folks, the slightly expanded folks, the pure fifths, or octave fifths... beat, or dead on. Is there such a thing as beatless? Even the unison. Dead on, or ever so slightly off to bring more life to the note? I'm not sure David still quite "gets" the direction of my path... (I have the utmost respect for your work. We've never met, yet I "feel" your warm soul through this connection.) "I would never denigrate your skills or the skills of anybody who uses the ETD as a powerful tool and as an ADJUNCT to their ears, their body, their intuition." Close, but not quite... "NONE OF US GIVE A HOOT HOW THE BEAUTY HAPPENS, JUST THAT IT HAPPENS. CAPISCE?" There ya' go... Here's where I take a sharp turn different than many and believe that a machine calculation is capable of producing a beautiful tuning. It's an "ends justify the means" approach that has been argued over in the past. Is someone just "following the lights" still a piano tuner? I'd like to "raise the bar" again. Aural approaches to tuning have made great strides (in consistency)in response to the development of the machines. I like to search for the methods to give even beginning tuners the ablility to bring MUSIC to the instrument. Yes, MUSIC. Shorten the tuning learning curve to focus on voicing, actionwork and other approaches written here on the list. There shouldn't be an excuse for random temperament errors multiplied through a tuning to end up with many of the wild bass and treble tunings I've heard. "Hazing" new recruits with aural training simply isn't a valad reason. Are we there yet? Close, so, so close... Ron Koval Chicagoland _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581
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