etd's and ears addendum

[Richard Gullion]

I am curious to know..how you can tell what the last tuner did, or how he 
tuned his ocataves, etc. unless you came within a few days after his tuning. 
If any time has lapsed, how would you know how he tuned it??????


>From: "Ron Koval" <drwoodwind at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>To: pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: etd's and ears addendum
>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:18:49 +0000
>
>So all this talk got me to thinkin'...
>
>This tuning process becomes a self-reinforced feedback loop.  We create 
>something using a specific series of checks.  Then to test the result, we 
>use the same series of checks...  The variable in the equation is - the 
>tech.  Now there are techs happy with this aural approach, or that aural 
>approach, tunelab, Korg, Strobe, RCT, SAT and Verituner - all which can 
>produce different final results, all proven and checked by the specific 
>tech in question.  The clients too, get trained to expect a certain sound 
>preferred by their tech.  Add to that the preferred differences between ET 
>and the whole gamut of alternate temperament views ....  Remember the whole 
>arguement that most aural techs aren't able to tune anything BUT a mild 
>reverse well temperament?  (I'd have to agree to finding many, many 
>examples of that around here.)
>
>So...
>
>What makes a great tuning?
>
>We can't seem to agree on octaves.  There's the direct reference folks, the 
>slightly expanded folks, the pure fifths, or octave fifths... beat, or dead 
>on.  Is there such a thing as beatless?
>
>Even the unison.  Dead on, or ever so slightly off to bring more life to 
>the note?
>
>I'm not sure David still quite "gets" the direction of my path... (I have 
>the utmost respect for your work.  We've never met, yet I "feel" your warm 
>soul through this connection.)
>
>"I would never denigrate your skills or the skills of
>anybody who uses the ETD as a powerful tool and as an ADJUNCT to
>their ears, their body, their
>intuition."
>
>Close, but not quite...
>
>"NONE OF
>US GIVE A HOOT HOW THE BEAUTY HAPPENS, JUST THAT IT HAPPENS.  CAPISCE?"
>
>There ya' go...
>
>Here's where I take a sharp turn different than many and believe that a 
>machine calculation is capable of producing a beautiful tuning.  It's an 
>"ends justify the means" approach that has been argued over in the past.  
>Is someone just "following the lights" still a piano tuner?
>
>I'd like to "raise the bar" again.  Aural approaches to tuning have made 
>great strides (in consistency)in response to the development of the 
>machines.  I like to search for the methods to give even beginning tuners 
>the ablility to bring MUSIC to the instrument.  Yes, MUSIC.  Shorten the 
>tuning learning curve to focus on voicing, actionwork and other approaches 
>written here on the list.
>
>There shouldn't be an excuse for random temperament errors multiplied 
>through a tuning to end up with many of the wild bass and treble tunings 
>I've heard.  "Hazing" new recruits with aural training simply isn't a valad 
>reason.
>
>Are we there yet?  Close, so, so close...
>
>Ron Koval
>Chicagoland
>
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