Cleaning epoxy off soundboard joint --- was glues

Erwinspiano at aol.com Erwinspiano at aol.com
Wed Jan 24 18:51:14 MST 2007


 
Great Post Mike
  Hey Mr glue.  So tell me....I'm redoing a belly job  that failed. A 
compression crowner gone amuck. It's  Not my board, but  some body else & the board 
was glued into the  rim with Epoxy.  Ughhh!
   I'd ideally like to get down to the bare  wood.  as the epoxy is laid down 
on top of the old hide glue & all. My  question is how to get it off in ten 
minutes without gnashing of teeth.   Yes I've tried scraping...takes forever.  
tried soaking a section in  acetone for a short while.  Tried carbide 
grinders.  I'm looking for  the easy answer..Stuffs like steel.  I suppose I could 
just leave the epoxy  which is flat a smooth & glue the new board back in with 
epoxy but  I don't like this idea because of what I'm currently dealing with.  
My  admonition to other bellyheads is, that epoxy isn't necessary to keep a  
sound board ....which is wood to stay glued to a rim....also  wood......JMO
  suggestions?
  Dale

List,
 
Some helpful information on  glues:
 
White glue (Elmer's, consumer grade glue,  etc..,)  and yellow glue 
(Titebond, industrial grade wood glue,  etc..) are both PVA'S,  (Polyvinyl Acetate) and 
both are "Aliphatic  Resins". PVC-E glue is also in the PVA family with a few 
different compounds  added to make it remain semi-flexible when dry. 
Aliphatic Resin is a  general chemistry term that implies "at the molecular level, 
these products  (glues, etc..) arrange themselves in chains". When yellow glue 
came  out, manufacturers needed a fancy slogan to differentiate yellow  glue 
from white glue so they called it Aliphatic resin, but in  reality, not economy, 
they both are Aliphatic Resin. A lot of  the Yellow Glues are stronger than 
the White Glues, but they are both  PVA'S and are both Aliphatic Resins. PVA'S 
are further broken down into  subgroups based on their strength, application, 
water resistance etc.. The  PVA'S are a huge family of glues that most of us 
use and think they are  something distinctly different because of what they are 
called or what someone  recommends they be used for. Choose your glues 
carefully, any  supplier/manufacturer can supply you with a specifications sheet or 
MSDS, this  will give you the properties of the glue and most importantly will 
tell you  what the MANUFACTURER created the glue for, not simply what a supply 
 house markets it as. Of all the glue books I have read, "The Glue Book"  by 
William Tandy Young makes all this easy to understand. Remember, spare  the 
next technician the pain of fixing an improper glue job, because the next  
technician might be you. I think Reblitz said something like that  first.
 



Michael A. Morvan
Blackstone Valley  Piano
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