Hi Dean...
Nice stuff here :) after trying to sort through some of the er... heat
I stumble across your level headed post and it is yielding some good
reading. Thanks much for the positive, dispassionate and aparently
unbiased input. I think I'll have a couple questions when I get time to
read through this thread more closely... but I'll shoot them to you off
line since by then this subject will no doubt have passed into the anals
of pianotech history... :)
Cheers
RicB
I've done a little more research and found some numbers.
>From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength#cite_note-0
For most metals yield point is not sharply defined. Below the yield
strength
all deformation is recoverable, and the material will return to its
initial
shape when the load is removed. For stresses above the yield point the
deformation is not recoverable, and the material will not return to its
initial shape. This unrecoverable deformation is known as plastic
deformation. For many applications plastic deformation is
unacceptable, and
the yield strength is used as the design limitation.
This substantially concurs with what Mike says below, permanent stretch
occurs when you pull the tension above the yield point. It is,
however, a
little misleading when it says "all" deformation is recoverable.
I haven't yet been able to substantiate Mike's claim that with
modern piano
wire the yield strength is closer to the ultimate. I have found
sources that
place it at 43-35%. The Wiki article above is one and here is another:
http://www.mech.uwa.edu.au/DANotes/springs/fatigue/fatigue.html
This means if your design tension is above 45% of breaking strength
you will
exceed the Yield Strength, unless my sources are wrong. This is not
really a
problem as we are still a long ways from breaking strength.
It is important to understand though that some plastic deformation does
occur before Yield Strength, though not really appreciable. If
you're really
bored check out this site: http://books.google.com/books?id=dVQOAAAAYAAJ
<http://books.google.com/books?id=dVQOAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA7-PA319#PRA7-PA335,M1>
&pg=RA7-PA319#PRA7-PA335,M1
Scroll down to page 336, for example. You will find a strain table
for 17
gauge wire. At 100 lbs tension the wire elongated .0122 inches. When
they
took the 100 lbs off it had a permanent set (i.e., plastic
deformation) of
.0002 inches. When they got up to 300 lbs the permanent set was .0047
inches. At 422 lbs the wire sample broke (ultimate strength).
Mike, do you have a reference we can look at that says differently? The
reference above was printed in 1918 and perhaps "modern" piano wire
would be
different.
Dean
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