[pianotech] Replacing plastic elbows

[David Ilvedson]

Maybe you are doing something during the installation that is stressing the elbows...I've never heard of failure except by you...?

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA  94044

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Gerald Groot" <tunerboy3 at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Received: 12/8/2009 12:01:03 PM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Replacing plastic elbows


>Seriously now....  Replacing them again within a month or within a year or
>within a couple of years or so Ron, doesn't constitute in my ethics book,
>re-charging the client a 2nd time when they we were told by the company and
>then told the customer the same thing, that they would last for another 30
>years or longer.  I've done these re-broken replacements for nothing.  So,
>you must mean, all the money I lost replacing them a 2nd and 3rd time, don't
>you?  

>Mine broke right at the point where it snaps on again.  Where the slot
>engages the pin.  One side or the other of the snap on just up and cracked
>in half.  I've talked to Vorgias about it A LOT back then. I'm talking 20-25
>+ years ago now.  They admitted they were having "issues with them" thus,
>the reason for the free replacement sets I received.  However, they would
>not give anything towards labor.  I even had them breaking with a couple of
>weeks before.  

>No speculation on Yat Lam Hong Ron.  He's a member of my chapter and told me
>himself that he replaces them with wooden ones.  OVER RULED!  You lose.  The
>fine is replacing 30 sets of elbows for free.  

>Oh dumb designs???  Oh booooyyyy!  That's a new topic!  

>Jer 

>-----Original Message----- 
>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
>Of Ron Nossaman 
>Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:52 PM 
>To: pianotech at ptg.org 
>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Replacing plastic elbows 

>Gerald Groot wrote: 
>> *I've replaced literally thousands and thousands probably tens of 
>> thousands of these stupid plastic elbows over the years.  What a dumb 
>> design.  * 

>Is that the only dumb design you've seen in pianos? And look 
>at all that money you made replacing them, then replacing them 
>again. 


>> *You mean to tell me that none of you people have experienced any of the 
>> replacment sets breaking again either from faulty material which there 
>> was a lot of during one period of time many years ago or, as they aged 
>> again?  

>In my case, never. Not one in 30+ years. Nor do I recall 
>anyone else mentioning any actual failures until now. I've 
>seen a lot of them that had to be cleaned up, and flashing 
>trimmed and such, and a few that came loose because someone 
>didn't clean them up and didn't get them snapped in right, but 
>not a single broken replacement after installation in the 
>thousands I've also seen. 


>> *Yat Lam Hong has been recommending using only wooden ones for 30 
>> years.  Perhaps for the same reason as me.* 

>Objection - blatant speculation! 
>Ron N 



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