[pianotech] Opinions vary. Could we leave it at that?

Duaine Hechler dahechler at att.net
Fri Feb 4 22:37:42 MST 2011


Again, thank you, Chuck

On 02/04/2011 04:11 PM, Chuck Behm wrote:
> On 02/03/2011 09:28 PM, Wim Blees wrote:
> > This is meant for Duaine, but also other tuners who use an ETD
> exclusively.
>
> Statements recently made by Wim:
>
> 1. When you tune an octave and/or a unison, how do you know which
> string of the unison, or which note of the octave to tune? How do you
> know which one is right?
>
> 2. I hate to burst your bubble, Duaine, but everyone who uses an ETD
> checks their tuning aurally. That's what were supposed to do. The
> difference is, unlike you, everyone else knows what they are doing
> when they aurally check their tuning. They know how to listen for
> beats, and do all the various checks, like thirds, double octaves, etc.
>
> 3. You're somewhat right. I am not necessarily trying to "bait" him,
> but I am interested in how he uses his machine to tune a piano. He
> says he is a hybrid tuner, one who uses aural checks, but perhaps he
> doesn't understand what he is doing, and perhaps we, or I, can give
> him some help in that case. That is, if he is willing to accept some help.
>
> Wim<
>
> Wim - Duaine is not the only one being mule-headed here. You could try
> listening to others as well. Here are some thoughts to consider,
> before going on and on about the deficiencies of the tuner who chooses
> to use an ETD.
>
> To back up a few days, Susan Kline wrote a very eloquent piece
> recently about the timelessness of aural tuning, speaking of the
> beautiful underlying architecture of the temperament that the aural
> tuner brings to light (sorry if I'm misquoting you, Susan. I'm
> speaking from memory).
>
> The thing of it is, that underlying architecture of the temperament
> exists and is waiting to be revealed by the tuner - but whether the
> tuner uses his ears or a machine to set the pieces of that
> architecture in place, it doesn't matter. It's there to be discovered
> and revealed, and the end result, if the piano is tuned by someone who
> knows his business, is a beautiful thing.
>
> The relationship between the vibrating strings of a piano is, after
> all, mathematical. Compare the beauty of strings vibrating in harmony
> with one another to the eternal celestial dance of the planets of our
> solar system around our sun. Understanding the relationship of the
> heavenly bodies of our solar system comes down in the end to an
> understanding of the math and physics involved. If you know the mass
> of a planet and the distance of that planet from the sun, you may
> deduce its orbital velocity. It all comes down to numbers.
>
> To appreciate the beauty of our solar system, however, nothing can top
> the experience of actually looking at a planet through a powerful
> telescope and seeing it with your own eyes. The first time you see
> first hand at the mountains of the moon, the rings around Saturn, or
> Jupiter's giant Red Spot, it will take your breath away.
>
> So to with tuning a piano. Although one must listen with his ears to a
> piano to appreciate the beauty of the harmony created, putting a piano
> in as perfect of tune as possible comes down to purely mathematical
> relationships, whether one is tuning by ear or by machine. Simply put,
> minimizing the discord between partials and maximizing the harmony is
> what its all about.
>
> The ETD I currently use, the Verituner, is calibrated to the piano
> before a single note is tuned. Starting with A4 and A3, the machine
> records the relative frequency of each of the first 8 partials for
> each note. I generally go on to run from A2 to A5, letting the machine
> read each note's partials. I then set the Verituner to calculate the
> tuning. Using the information it has measured and recorded, it sets
> the temperament for the piano using computations that are far beyond
> my pint-sized intellect.
>
> From that starting point I tune the piano. Being that it has
> mathematically calculated the best tuning for the entire piano, not
> just for one particular note, I set the temperament string for each
> note at the exact point it has chosen, then tune the outside strings
> to the temperament string by ear. I do not, as you have suggested Wim
> do "the various checks, like thirds, double octaves, etc."  Why would
> I, when I trust my equipment to do the job of finding the "sweet spot"
> for each note where harmony is maximized, and discord is minimized.
>
> The proof is in the pudding, as they say. As I mentioned recently, I
> have logged over 5000 tunings on my Verituner. I can't honestly
> remember ever losing a customer to another tuner, aural or otherwise.
> If you and others enjoy tuning completely by ear, and are convinced of
> its benefits, fine. I'm sure your tunings are first-rate. That your
> tuning is necessarily better than the tuner who uses an ETD, I don't
> believe for one minute.
>
> I know what works best in my own individual case. The day I start
> hearing 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th partials in my head for
> every string, and can calibrate them and remember them to degree that
> my Verituner can (plus put them all in the best possible relationship
> using logarithms devised at lightening quick speed) is the day I'll
> get rid of my machine and tune completely by ear. It ain't going to
> happen.  Chuck Behm
>
> P.S. Sarcastic comments that are intended to deflate another tuner's
> sense of worth really get old, at least for me. I would like to be
> able to read thoughtful posts made by people of differing opinions
> without getting the feeling that I've inadvertently tuned in to a
> Jerry Springer show.
>
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Duaine Hechler
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