Re Squares/
Either do it for free, or charge them $600.00....... That way you are both being generous.
Tom Cobble RPT and veteran of too many square pianos
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: OFF Topic (Susan Kline)
2. Re: OFF Topic (David Love)
3. Re: OFF Topic (Susan Kline)
4. Re: Any Ideas: Museum......rebuild funding (Joseph Garrett)
5. Re: Any Ideas: Museum looking for funding to rebuilt valuable
historic piano (Wim Blees)
6. Re: OFF Topic (Dean May)
7. Re: OFF Topic (Dale Erwin)
8. Re: OFF Topic (Ron Nossaman)
9. Re: Any Ideas: Museum......rebuild funding (Ursula Hammerling)
10. Re: Any Ideas: Museum looking for funding to rebuilt valuable
historic piano (Ursula Hammerling)
Attached Message
From:
Susan Kline <skline at peak.org>
To:
pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
Date:
Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:04:53 -0800
On 1/3/2011 8:29 PM, David Love wrote:
I think we've reached a real Fountainhead on this topic and it's time to turn off the water.
I think we're about done. Dean had the decency to say my ideas sounded noble and altruistic.
Susan
Attached Message
From:
David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To:
pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
Date:
Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:48:35 -0800
Was that a compliment? My bad…
David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Susan Kline
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:05 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
On 1/3/2011 8:29 PM, David Love wrote:
I think we've reached a real Fountainhead on this topic and it's time to turn off the water.
I think we're about done. Dean had the decency to say my ideas sounded noble and altruistic.
Susan
Attached Message
From:
Susan Kline <skline at peak.org>
To:
pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
Date:
Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:57:45 -0800
On 1/3/2011 9:48 PM, David Love wrote:
Was that a compliment? My bad…
David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com
Well, David, not exactly. He was implying that my arguments SOUNDED noble and altruistic, but if you looked underneath them they weren't. But he heard the nobility and altruism .... which is good enough for me.
Susan
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Susan Kline
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:05 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
On 1/3/2011 8:29 PM, David Love wrote:
I think we've reached a real Fountainhead on this topic and it's time to turn off the water.
I think we're about done. Dean had the decency to say my ideas sounded noble and altruistic.
Susan
Attached Message
From:
Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
To:
pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum......rebuild funding
Date:
Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:37:38 -0800
Ursula,
I would suggest you first find a rebuilder and have that person give his Estimate. Then, they'd have a reasonable idea.. I've Remanufactured one of those, ..an 1867. The actions in that particular piano is a disaster! For the one I did, it got a complete new action...highly modified, by me and Rick Wheeler. Chickerings can be daunting. That particular one, even more so!! If I were to do the job I'd ask for two arms, a leg and your first born's inheritance.<G> Not really, but I'd estimate it very high, having already endoured the first one.<G> If they are looking to Rebuild it, that's one thing. If they are looking to Restore it, that is a whole new set of problems. With the Remanufacture, I did, the piano had a new sound board, pinblock, retoration of the arty case and refinished. The action and back action had to be replaced, completely. Today, the options are many more than anytime in the past, regarding the direction to be taken. And, the action parts avai labilities are better...er somewhat.<G>
Regards,
Joe
Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
Captain of the Tool Police
Squares R I
Attached Message
From:
Wim Blees <tnrwim at aol.com>
To:
Pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum looking for funding torebuilt valuable historic piano
Date:
Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:37:11 -1000
Ursala
Whether it's to rebuild an historic piano, or replacing the roof, the historical society should be able to do it's own fund raising. I realize getting money for the piano is in your best interest, but how they get the money is not your responsibilty.
Wim
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From: Ursula Hammerling <ursulapianotuning at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:29 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum looking for funding to rebuilt valuable historic piano
Question:
I am servicing a Chickering 7'8" (ornate case) ca. 1870 in a small museum in NJ. They are looking to rebuild it but lack the funds. They would like to raise the funds but have little experience with raising funds for the restoration of a historical instrument. Have you had any experience with obtaining public funding, funding from historical societies? Do you have any other good ideas how to best approach this?
Thanks,
Ursula Hammerling, RPT
Attached Message
From:
Dean May <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com>
To:
pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
Date:
Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:29:13 -0500
>>Well, Dean, it seems to me that if you advocate eliminating fire and police departments, and building codes and inspectors
Not what I have advocated at all. I even gave an example of a local volunteer fire department that exceeds my municipal one. I could give lots more, but not much point if you continue to misconstrue. It is possible to do things without threatening people with violence, but it requires living as responsible free men, not dependents on the government. And a 10% total gross income tax would provide more than enough for essential services (prosecuting real criminals, not fake politcal ones). Roads and the like can and should be maintained by excise taxes or tolls.
Might (or majority vote) does not make right.
Dean
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Susan Kline
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:00 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
Attached Message
From:
Dale Erwin <erwinspiano at aol.com>
To:
pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
Date:
Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:55:56 -0500
I think the position Dean is making really and perhaps not doing a very good job of it is that he is saying we are being over taxed for services that can be had for less money. For example. CA. firefighters and other public service people are retiring with 100% of there pay and benefits. This is now part of what is causing Calif woes.
As well, golden handshakes of this magnitude are obsessive and causes the rest of the electorate massive resentments. There needs to be balance in everything and there isn't at this time.
If any successful entrepreneur retires with the same type of wealth as the fire guys then the attitude of the GOV. is that he can afford to pay more in taxes. (His fair share) is the mantra. Its way screwed up.
Dale S. Erwin
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-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kline <skline at peak.org>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
On 1/3/2011 6:25 PM, Dean May wrote:
Your position sounds altruistic and noble, but the bottom line is you are willing to kill me if I disagree.
Dean
Dean, don't be ABSURD. All you have to do to change anything is convince
enough of your fellow citizens to vote it down. If you can't
convince enough of them to vote against the general health and welfare,
why should your views prevail?
Or you could move to somewhere with underpaid and therefore corrupt
police, uneducated children, and no public health or building codes,
and live there exactly as you wish, as long as the crime syndicates let
you.
Susan
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Susan Kline
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:14 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] OFF TOPIC for SURE moving Off topic- year so far
Attached Message
From:
Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net>
To:
pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] OFF Topic
Date:
Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:13:03 -0600
On 1/4/2011 9:55 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> Its way screwed up.
There have always been way more ticks than dogs. It's just not real smart to let the ticks take charge.
Ron N
Attached Message
From:
Ursula Hammerling <ursulapianotuning at yahoo.com>
To:
joegarrett at earthlink.net; pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum......rebuild funding
Date:
Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:32:19 -0800 (PST)
Thanks, Joe, for your reply. I have the feeling, that this piano needs everything rebuilt and the idea to contact a rebuilder first seems the way to go. Thanks again.
- Ursula
--- On Tue, 1/4/11, Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum......rebuild funding
To: "pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:37 AM
Ursula,
I would suggest you first find a rebuilder and have that person give his Estimate. Then, they'd have a reasonable idea.. I've Remanufactured one of those, ..an 1867. The actions in that particular piano is a disaster! For the one I did, it got a complete new action...highly modified, by me and Rick Wheeler. Chickerings can be daunting. That particular one, even more so!! If I were to do the job I'd ask for two arms, a leg and your first born's inheritance.<G> Not really, but I'd estimate it very high, having already endoured the first one.<G> If they are looking to Rebuild it, that's one thing. If they are looking to Restore it, that is a whole new set of problems. With the Remanufacture, I did, the piano had a new sound board, pinblock, retoration of the arty case and refinished. The action and back action had to be replaced, completely. Today, the options are many more than anytime in the past, regarding the direction to be taken. And, the action parts avai labilities are better...er somewhat.<G>
Regards,
Joe
Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
Captain of the Tool Police
Squares R I
Attached Message
From:
Ursula Hammerling <ursulapianotuning at yahoo.com>
To:
pianotech at ptg.org
Subject:
Re: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum looking for funding to rebuiltvaluable historic piano
Date:
Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:26:36 -0800 (PST)
Wim,
I thought someone on the list might have more insight in this than I do, and yes I know it is none of my responsibilities. Thanks for your time. - Ursula
--- On Tue, 1/4/11, Wim Blees <tnrwim at aol.com> wrote:
From: Wim Blees <tnrwim at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum looking for funding to rebuilt valuable historic piano
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 3:37 AM
Ursala
Whether it's to rebuild an historic piano, or replacing the roof, the historical society should be able to do it's own fund raising. I realize getting money for the piano is in your best interest, but how they get the money is not your responsibilty.
Wim
Sent from my HTC PURE™, a Windows® phone from AT&T
From: Ursula Hammerling <ursulapianotuning at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:29 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: [pianotech] Any Ideas: Museum looking for funding to rebuilt valuable historic piano
Question:
I am servicing a Chickering 7'8" (ornate case) ca. 1870 in a small museum in NJ. They are looking to rebuild it but lack the funds. They would like to raise the funds but have little experience with raising funds for the restoration of a historical instrument. Have you had any experience with obtaining public funding, funding from historical societies? Do you have any other good ideas how to best approach this?
Thanks,
Ursula Hammerling, RPT
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