On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net> wrote: > On 7/20/2011 11:07 AM, William Monroe wrote: > >> No, Ron, >> >> You are not being told to "shut up and go away" as you put it. >> > > "It's here to stay, you'll just have to take the time to learn how to use > it" isn't equivalent? > > No. > > That is >> your interpretation, not the general implication. To suggest that "we >> have all understood this from the very first day" is very far from the >> truth. I certainly didn't, and there are many who still don't. >> > > I've been reading how great it is for the office in nearly every post > responding to list complaints from the beginning - in lieu of addressing > list complaints. I've read it at least thirty times. I don't understand how > it's not understood unless no one is reading those posts. > You don't have to understand something for it to be true. > > > No one is reassuring you that, "everything except what we are concerned >> with is working fine." >> > > Isn't answering list specific complaints with assurances that this software > is working wonderfully for the office equivalent? > > > No, it provides context to remind you that there are other considerations besides the listserv portion. I have seen other answers given for list specific complaints, but they all require patience - something which seems in short supply. > What we (I include myself in that number now) >> are trying to tell you is that we recognize there are shortcomings with >> the "new" list and the concerns are not being ignored. >> > > Where is the information on what - list specific - is being done, and it's > status? Other than "we're looking into it"? > > Have you listened to the "pianotech live" item that was posted by Ron Berry? Perhaps that will have an answer or two. I've not yet heard it. > > And please do not suggest that >> derogatory comments such as those you've quoted are being issued by >> everyone who wants to move forward with the new system. >> > > I don't suggest anything. "Moving forward" is precisely what I'm talking > about. This includes fixing problems like making the email portion of the > list that is offered in the PDA and plain text format actually function. I > understand this was added because of the number of other requests from > subscribers other than PTG, so it seems to be an option people would like. > How about if it worked? > I don't have any problems with it. But I can recognize there are minor issues like the character thing you keep on about. I'm not suggesting it should be ignored, but I am suggesting it is so far removed from a fatal flaw that if it's not fixed tomorrow, I'm not going to loose sleep over it. > > > Most of us are >> moving forward without being condescending. Please stop focusing on >> those who are. It's lose, lose, you know that. >> > > That sounds very like take it or leave it, as "moving forward" typically > does. > Interpret as you wish, it is indeed your prerogative. That's not at at what it means, but I can't translate it FOR you. > > > I haven't seen the answers as "rah, rah" though you obviously have. >> > > At least diversionary, as yet another reassurance that this software is > just what the organization and office needs as a response to list specific > complaints, doesn't address anything useful at all. > > As above. > > Again, don't think that slow response is ignoring you and others. You >> may choose to believe that your constructive suggestions are being >> ignored since they are not yet fixed, but that is simply not true. >> > > Show us. What, specifically, is being done to address the list concerns > that have been offered? > Ron N > Patience gwasshoppah, volunteer efforts sometimes take more time than you might personally expect. William R. Monroe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20110720/c451e21b/attachment.htm>
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