Ryan -
I did read it. Oh, snap. You're not talking to me. You're talking
to that other David. L. Oh well. What I (David S {kolnik, not
tanwood}) wrote here still goes.> The difference I think we have is
that I'm still inclined to defer to the implied distinction as to
what goes here and what to PTG-L. I've made it clear that I see a
very difficult blending of the issues, but I continue to believe that
we need to try to discern the difference.
Cheers (until Brekne returns)
David Skolnik
Hastings on Hudson, NY
At 03:03 AM 1/4/2012, you wrote:
>David,
>
>If you read through my entire post below (I know it is probably
>tedious) I clearly stated that it is possible that a new Board could
>do worse than what we have now. I'm a realist when it comes to that.
>My argument has only been that the current Board's philosophy of
>governance in handling this issue may not be the most effective in my opinion.
>
>My original post simply stated that the current board has invested
>so much time and energy into this project that it may be impossible
>for them to cut the losses and start from scratch with a truly
>up-to-date effective system that isn't a Facebook wannabe.
>
>Earlier in my career I invested way to much time, energy, and money
>in trying to rebuild a PSO that I should never have gotten involved
>with. It was an albatross around my neck until my wife finally
>convinced me to set a hard deadline, upon which if said piano was
>still hanging around it would subsequently be added to the assets of
>the county landfill. The deadline came and the piano went. A great
>weight was lifted and I was able to get on with better and more
>rewarding projects.
>
>What happens in the future is going to be the result of political
>will. I'm skeptical the general membership has a strong enough
>opinion about this whole thing to effect any sort of change. After
>all it is a very small minority of members who use the lists to
>begin with. Its hard enough getting folks to show up for a chapter meeting.
>
>The biggest disappointment, to me, is how something as cool and
>useful to the piano technician community as these Lists have been
>made into something less effective and useful. I know some think
>it's great, but I believe a majority don't see it as in improvement
>and don't expect it go get much better any time soon. I won't be
>surprised if in two or three years the "new and improved" system
>ends up on the scrap heap.
>
>Ryan
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:34 PM, David Love
><<mailto:davidlovepianos at comcast.net>davidlovepianos at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>I say, if Jim says they are working on it then let them work on
>it. The suggestion to replace the board so that we can be assured
>of having a better and more accommodating website/list interface is
>getting a bit ridiculous and a new board is no guarantee of anything.
>
>David Love
>
><http://www.davidlovepianos.com>www.davidlovepianos.com
>
>
>
>From: <mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org>pianotech-bounces at ptg.org
>[mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Sowers
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:01 PM
>
>To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: Re: [pianotech] mailman list
>
>
>
>Jim,
>
>
>
>Maybe we are not in agreement as to what the word "political" means.
>When I refer to the decision being political I'm simply saying that
>it was a governance decision by those currently in power, based on
>their philosophical orientation towards the PTG and its membership.
>
>
>
>The very statement that "It is Inevitable that it will end as we
>know it." is a reflection of the political thinking on the Board."
>and is an obvious reflection of the Board's political outlook. The
>political reality is that if a new Board were elected who had a
>different agenda, then things could work out very differently.
>
>
>
>Saying that the old list is like a horse and buggy, or a rotary
>phone is amusing. To me the NEW site is more like a horse and buggy
>(emphasis on buggy) and the horse apparently is not well trained.
>
>
>
>I think this all happened because of a major political disconnect
>between the main contributors to the old list and the political
>leadership. It really is like someone coming in and swapping your
>beloved old piano and sticking a new digital keyboard with lots of
>bells and whistles.
>
>
>
> No matter how much you try to argue that the electronic keyboard
> is better than the old piano (because it is more modern and full of
> interesting features), there will be many intelligent and
> thoughtful people who preferred the old piano. This is not because
> they are Luddites. It is because it met the needs of the users better.
>
>
>
>I'm not really criticizing the Board on this. They have every right,
>based on the political structure of the Guild, to make the decisions
>that they do. I'm sure they are doing the best that they can. A new
>Board may do worse. My original point was that if people are truly
>unhappy with the direction the PTG has taken in handling this issue,
>electing new representatives is a reasonable approach.
>
>
>
> Whether or not there is the political will within the PTG to enact
> this kind of change is a completely different issue.
>
>
>
>Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Coleman, Jim
><<mailto:jcolem21 at utk.edu>jcolem21 at utk.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>Folks, there is nothing political about whether this List survives
>or not. It is Inevitable that it will end as we know it. Just like
>the wagon in the pioneer days, party lines, the dial telephone,
>analog television and cell phones the size of a brick, the
>world/technology continues to move on.
>
>
>
>PTG, through most of it's history, has been behind the curve. Many
>of you will remember a phrase Fern Henry (one of our outstanding
>Presidents) used back in the '90s...PTG has finally joined the 20th century.
>
>That was less than 10 years from the 21st century!
>
>
>
>It is clearly understood by this Board as well as last year's that
>the new website was launched too soon and without enough beta
>testing. We have good people working on the problems and you will
>know well in advance when we are ready to reintroduce the improved site.
>
>
>
>In the meantime let's all work together for a better PTG.
>
>
>
>
>
>Jim Coleman, Jr RPT
>
>Staff Piano Technician-
>
> University of Tennessee
>
>President-
>
> Piano Technicians Guild
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Ryan Sowers, RPT
>Puget Sound Chapter
>Olympia, WA
><http://www.pianova.net>www.pianova.net
>
>
>
>
>--
>Ryan Sowers, RPT
>Puget Sound Chapter
>Olympia, WA
><http://www.pianova.net>www.pianova.net
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