This is supposed to be a Piano Tuning Forum. I am here to learn a lot about tuning and repairing pianos.
There are many other Forums much more suited to Political Rhetoric. Please stay within the subject matter. I am all for freedom of speech...but let's talk keys here...not politics.
Marc P. Mailhot
Marco Polo Music
Westbrook, ME USA
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Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1299, Issue 93
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Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 9:08 PM
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1. Una corda and double damper lift (paul bruesch)
2. Re: Form your own Opinion (William R. Monroe)
3. Re: FW: Form your own Opinion (Avery Todd)
4. Re: Form your own Opinion (Allen Wright)
5. Re: Form your own opinion (David Boyce)
6. Re: Form your own Opinion (Jim)
7. Fw: Spanish street piano (Thos Carpenter)
8. Re: Form your own Opinion (paul bruesch)
9. RE: Una corda and double damper lift (Owen Greyling)
10. Re: Una corda and double damper lift (Barbara Richmond)
11. Re: Form your own Opinion (William R. Monroe)
12. RE: Piano dolly for Technic Electric Piano (Rex Roseman)A client has a Young Chang TG-150, mfg in 2000. When I press the shift
pedal, it doesn't go down very far, and the action does not shift far
enough to play only two strings. I adjusted it so that it would shift
farther, but then the dampers of the wound bichords to the right of
the break (there are about eight such notes) would lift in pairs...
for example, playing D3 with the shift pedal down results in dampers
for D3 and D#3 being raised. This only happens on those eight or so
notes, not in the plain wire treble, nor in the wound bichords left of
the break.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Paul Bruesch
Stillwater, MN
YES, YES, YES. Marshall is a black eye on this list. If there is something in this individual to salvage, someone who knows and interacts with this individual needs to get the message across that he's [always] out of line, thoughtless, flippant, rude, etc., etc., etc. He has no respect on this list. My guess is he's just as thick in person, unfortunately. My reaction to this guy is on line with Mr. Sivak's.
William R. Monroe
Second this motion.
P
Please leave this kind of evil horsesh*t out of this list. I'm serious. Can't you guys on the list who know this clown have a talk with him? This is the worst of the worst.
David Andersen
Hey everyone,
Check out the video clip. It's important that we know about this sort of thing.
Marshall
And you're posting this on the pianotech list why?????????????????
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Marshall Gisondi <pianotune05 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey everyone,
Check out the video clip. It's important that we know about this sort of thing.
Marshall
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
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I agree with Will: this sort of thing has no business at all being on a listserve about piano tech matters; I don't want or need to know about your politics, Mr. Gisondi.
Sincerely,
Allen Wright, RPT
On May 24, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Marshall Gisondi wrote:
Hey everyone,
Check out the video clip. It's important that we know about this sort of thing.
Marshall
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
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"Don't you get enough of politics on the media? This is a list for
piano
technical questions. There are plenty of other places to discuss politics.
ron"
Hear Hear! This list is in general a most gracious place. You ladies and
gentlemen of the PTG are also kind enough to allow the list to have an
international membership, to share your knowledge and experience worldwide,
and to let participants in various lands offer their piano experience in
return. Even if this list were a place for politics, which I heartily agree
it is not, not everyone is in a position to be involved in US politics.
Kind regards,
David.
Of course, isn't that what Freedom of Speech is all about . . the right to say things that are unpopular, inaccurate, etc.
Didn't a lot of fine men and women over the years, from both our countries, give their lives so that we ALL could have this right . . . ??
i taoally agree, though, that there are OTHER fora ( lat - plural of forum, ) for tjis free expression, but not here . .
with respect
Jim Kinnear
----- Original Message -----
From: William R. Monroe
To: Pianotech List
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Form your own Opinion
YES, YES, YES. Marshall is a black eye on this list. If there is something in this individual to salvage, someone who knows and interacts with this individual needs to get the message across that he's [always] out of line, thoughtless, flippant, rude, etc., etc., etc. He has no respect on this list. My guess is he's just as thick in person, unfortunately. My reaction to this guy is on line with Mr. Sivak's.
William R. Monroe
Second this motion.
P
Please leave this kind of evil horsesh*t out of this list. I'm serious. Can't you guys on the list who know this clown have a talk with him? This is the worst of the worst.
David Andersen
Hey everyone,
Check out the video clip. It's important that we know about this sort of thing.
Marshall
----- Original Message -----
From: Thos Carpenter
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Fw: Spanish street piano
----- Original Message -----
From: Thos Carpenter
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Spanish street piano
Dear List,
I didn`t find anything in the archives...........
what can you tell me about tuning the Spanish street barrel piano? Does it use tuning pins that can be accommodated w/ our standard tuning hammer? I`ve viewed a few on you tube.........it doesn`t seem customary that these are tuned.
thanks,
Tom CarpenterBut then again, there is the concept of "libel"
Anonanon
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Jim <jim at jimkinnear.com> wrote:
> Of course, isn't that what Freedom of Speech is all about . . the
right to
> say things that are unpopular, inaccurate, etc.
>
> Didn't a lot of fine men and women over the years, from both our
countries,
> give their lives so that we ALL could have this right . . . ??
>
> i taoally agree, though, that there are OTHER fora ( lat - plural of
forum,
> ) for tjis free expression, but not here . .
>
> with respect
>
> Jim Kinnear
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William R. Monroe
> To: Pianotech List
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Form your own Opinion
> YES, YES, YES. Marshall is a black eye on this list. If there is
something
> in this individual to salvage, someone who knows and interacts with
> this individual needs to get the message across that he's [always] out
of
> line, thoughtless, flippant, rude, etc., etc., etc. He has no respect on
> this list. My guess is he's just as thick in person, unfortunately.
My
> reaction to this guy is on line with Mr. Sivak's.
>
> William R. Monroe
>
> Second this motion.
>
> P
>
>
> Please leave this kind of evil horsesh*t out of this list. I'm
serious.
> Can't you guys on the list who know this clown have a talk with him?
This is
> the worst of the worst.
> David Andersen
> Hey everyone,
> Check out the video clip. It's important that we know about this sort
of
> thing.
> Marshall
>Hi Paul,
Remove the stack from the action, and replace the keyframe with the keys in
the action cavity. Don't force the back of the keys under the underlevers,
but stop with the keys just in front of the underlevers, and check the
spacing of the back of the keys in relation to the levers..both at rest, and
in the shift position.
You may have to space the first eight underlevers slightly more to the
right. Pay attention to the keys that are operating correctly, as this will
give you the best guidelines as to what spacing is correct. This will
involve removing the dampers and rebending of the wires. Before you commit
to that approach however, you may be able to get away with planning the
width of the back of the key and end felt slightly, to create enough
clearance when the shift pedal is engaged.
Before you do any of this, make sure that the action shift is operating
correctly in relation to the hammers and strings.
Good luck, and prepare to be a hero.
Owen
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of paul bruesch
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:36 PM
To: Pianotech List
Subject: Una corda and double damper lift
A client has a Young Chang TG-150, mfg in 2000. When I press the shift
pedal, it doesn't go down very far, and the action does not shift far
enough to play only two strings. I adjusted it so that it would shift
farther, but then the dampers of the wound bichords to the right of
the break (there are about eight such notes) would lift in pairs...
for example, playing D3 with the shift pedal down results in dampers
for D3 and D#3 being raised. This only happens on those eight or so
notes, not in the plain wire treble, nor in the wound bichords left of
the break.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Paul Bruesch
Stillwater, MNHi Paul,
Was the customer complaining of una corda voicing?
I don't believe all pianos/piano actions are designed to miss strings
with the una corda engaged. The hammers on those designed for missing are
spaced a hair to the right, so clearing the left string is easier.
Depending on the situation, the fix could be as simple as slicing off a bit
of the right side of the key-end felt.
Or, if there are big alignment problems, shape the hammers and adjust the
rest block at the bass end of the
action cavity (so the action rests more to the left)--and then re-space and
realign everything else. :-[
Or, for una corda voicing you can carefully voice (needle) the hammers
between the string cuts.
Barbara Richmond, RPT
near Peoria, IL
----- Original Message -----
From: "paul bruesch" <paul at bruesch.net>
To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:36 PM
Subject: Una corda and double damper lift
>A client has a Young Chang TG-150, mfg in 2000. When I press the shift
> pedal, it doesn't go down very far, and the action does not shift far
> enough to play only two strings. I adjusted it so that it would shift
> farther, but then the dampers of the wound bichords to the right of
> the break (there are about eight such notes) would lift in pairs...
> for example, playing D3 with the shift pedal down results in dampers
> for D3 and D#3 being raised. This only happens on those eight or so
> notes, not in the plain wire treble, nor in the wound bichords left of
> the break.
>
> Any ideas?
> Thanks,
> Paul Bruesch
> Stillwater, MN
>
Yes, Jim,
I know you're probably referencing the link Mr. Gisondi posted, but it's really about his choice of written speech that is at issue. Yes, we have rights that include freedom of speech, but it can be done respectfully, and thoughtfully, which is something Mr. Gisondi has failed to do since he has come on the list.
In this case, it's not about free speech rights, it's about decorum, discretion, a gentleperson's agreement to not abuse their free speech rights in a forum such as this. Anyone is free to speak what they will, and if it's unanimously deemed vapid, arrogant, ill-intentioned, and in all other ways inappropriate, they will likely receive this (equally free, solicited, and I might say justifiable) type of treatment on the list. I'll not add any more after this, but just had to get it off my chest. Had this heartburn for some time now.
William R. Monroe
Of course, isn't that what Freedom of Speech is all about . . the right to say things that are unpopular, inaccurate, etc.
Didn't a lot of fine men and women over the years, from both our countries,
give their lives so that we ALL could have this right . . . ??
i taoally agree, though, that there are OTHER fora ( lat - plural of forum,) for tjis free expression, but not here . .
with respect
Jim Kinnear
Patrick
I am not familiar with the exact structure of the legs of this instrument,
but from your description, it sounds a lot like a Kurtweil "piano"
keyboard
that I have to work with. A local music store had its stock displayed on a
set of platforms on wheels, and they had one built for this unit. It is
simply a sheet of plywood with a wooden frame around the outside and covered
in the material that they use for the outside of speaker cabinets (that
slightly fuzzy material) with the corner braces like you find on Anvil
cases. A simple set of pivoting casters are mounted to the bottom close to
the corners.
The only improvement that I would like to make is to lay the keyboard on its
back, place the platform on its side against it, drill a set of holes
through the bottom of the platform into the pressboard legs and bolt the
unit to the platform. The platform or casters that you use are going to
raise the instrument too high for a standard bench, but we substituted a
stool that is at the correct height. An advantage of the platform is that if
there is a cross piece with pedals mounted on them like the Kurtweil, your
feet are at the right height to still use them correctly. (You put your feet
on the platform to play.) If your unit has a stand alone sustain pedal as
most keyboards do, you will be able to mount it to the platform so that it
will not be dragged around, pull on the cord, every time someone moves the
instrument.
Rex Roseman
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