---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Farrell wrote: > Thanks for the thoughts Richard. > > > In this case, I am not entirely convinced at this point that I am looking at > a case of loose bridge pins. > >> As far as lessening of the falseness, you >> probably achieved a very temporary solution by re-seating the pins. > Grin... sorry... of course I meant re-seating the strings on the bridge... this also is the case if you tap the pins themselves a bit deeper into the holes. Rons comments pertaining to the so called "bottoming out theory" and to this string seating buisness jive well with my own experience. > > Reseating the pins? I did not push/tap the pins. I did however seat the > strings in every gently way I could think of. > > > > Have you noticed that Ron has not provided input on my recent post regarding > how many hours one would charge a client to recap a bass bridge (I did > request that no bionic bridge dudes need reply!)? ;-) Perhaps he was in for a bionic check up .... or too busy with those two preverted posts... you know the ones... "zipping up the fly in public" and " sun bleached tail". grin.... > > Terry Farrell > Piano Tuning & Service > Tampa, Florida > mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Brekne" <Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: More False Beats S&S > > >> >> Farrell wrote: >> >>> Tuning a 1996 S&S M today I noticed many prominent false beats in the >>> hi-treble section.....cymbal-tone syndrome.... Gently place rod on top >> > of bridge pin... False beat does not go away, but.tone dies out real fast, > like the string was poorly muted. > >> >> Terry I have noticed the same thing on the Steinway grands, and have yet >> to encounter that same muting of the sound on other pianos... I really >> don't know why this is the case... I do know that if you find you can >> get rid of some of the falseness this way, then CA or epoxy in the >> Bridge pin holes will help. >> >> As far as the cymbal syndrome is concerned... you are not the first >> person to mention this in relation to Steinways (or other grands with >> highly active front duplexes) Solution is to redress the capo bar and >> voice the hammers. You can also get into retuning the duplex... read Ed >> McMorrows book for some interesting thoughts on this point. He refers to >> this "cymbal syndrome" of yours to a kind of whistling noise. At least I >> think you are talking about the same thing... :) >> >>> >>> So what happened in the lower half of this section? Why did just >> > touching > >>> (super-duper lightly only) the forward bridge pins cause the strings to >> > mute > >>> out? On the Boston that I posted on recently, as well as many other >> > pianos, > >>> you hear a false beat and when you press gently on loose bridge pin, >> > false > >>> beat is eliminated AND tone remains clear >> >> Don't worry about the muting effect... it wont happen when you CA or >> Epoxy the Bridge pins. As far as lessening of the falseness, you >> probably achieved a very temporary solution by re-seating the pins. I >> like Ron N's position on this seating business... makes a lot of sense. >> >>> I'm really trying to understand the causes of so much garbage sounds >> > that > >>> emanate from the high treble of pianos (er, a, well thinking of some >> > other > >>> pianos, I guess anywhere on the scale!). Any thoughts on this situation? >> >> >> You and just about everyone else. Its fascinating for sure. Lots of >> sources of diverse types of noise and falseness. As far as the muting >> effect you observed... I think .... and only think... (as I am but an >> egg in these matters) that the Steinway bridge and bridge pin >> configuration is like highly sensitive to changes in mass. Clamp a small >> vise grips onto a bridge pin on a Steinway and the string goes dead >> sounding... but on many other pianos there is only a small difference in >> sound quality. Why this is the case...beats me but I bet the answer is >> an interesting one. >> >>> >>> Terry Farrell >>> Piano Tuning & Service >>> Tampa, Florida >>> mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com >>> >> -- >> Richard Brekne >> RPT, N.P.T.F. >> Bergen, Norway >> mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no >> >> -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. Bergen, Norway mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/f8/41/f0/0c/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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