Sharp organ

[jolly roger]

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Hi Jon,
           Not such an unusual story, the organ business has as many bad
tech's
as we do.
Now the mixtures are fun  lll or lV  not so bad,   try a mixture Vll, you will
know nut's is all about.



At 09:08 PM 5/13/01 -0400, you wrote: 
>
> My problem was that the organ is tuned somewhere around 430.
>
> They want to play the organ with the piano for a performance.
> Themn they want to use the piano in accompaniment with hand bells at 440.
> Then back with the organ, then back with the hand bells. I gave up that gig.
>
> Then organ people tell them that they would have to make considerable
> alterations
> in pipe lengths to alter "voicing".  I came in a few days after one of their
> 'tuning' and
> was appalled, no amount of temperature or humidity fluctuation could account
> for
> those dreadful intervals.  I pointed it out to their organist, but what do I
> know, I'm just a piano tuner.



Well Mr. Organist, you seem to let the organ tech do his own thing,  Live with
it,  I'm out of here.


>
> I was present in another church when the tuning was being done. One guy on
> the console,
> the other guy with a Conn pitch generator in the pipe chamber. No brain, no
> pain; I guess.
> I mentioned about an SAT, RCT (all there was at the time) and received a
> blank stare. 
> Hearing protection would be my first priority in this situation.


That good Eh!  You are lucky it was not a one octave guitar tuner, purchased
from Walmart.


>
> I attempted to help an another organist by  'touching-up' the mix (little
did
> I know what that was).
> After finding it and tending to those little whistles I would never do it
> again without hearing protection.


Kind of like playing leap frog  <G>

Regards Roger


>
> I though piano tuners were nuts, these guys are really out there...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Page
>
> At 05:13 PM 05/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>             I did not intend to pick, as I know it's a perenial problem
>> with churches.  Communication is key, with the music people, pipe organ
>> tech, and piano tech.  Education has to go along with it.  other wise you
>> end up with the he said, she said game. A lose, lose, scenerio. I have been
>> in the middle of those kinds of things, and also part of the problem.  A
>> little older and some what wiser.  I insist on having the 3 parties meet.
>> So solutions can be found.  Many of the pipe organ techs will also lay down
>> a different bearing  (temperament)  than our standard  ET. Flue Work for
>> instance has a very strong fundamental and less harmonic development than
>> the principal chorus. And both are quite different than piano strings, in
>> any given register.
>> Team work is the answer if it can be fostered.   Bare in mind, that much of
>> the beauty of a pipe organ, is it's space, and out of tuneness.  Add reverb
>> time into the mix, and the game gets thicker. The big 16ft pipes are
>> usually a long way away from the piano.
>> For me, get rid of the pianos in churches, and let us make a Joyful noise
>> unto the Lord.  With a real pipe organ.  <G>
>> Just some thoughts on the subject.
>> Regards roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:24 PM 5/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Roger,
>> >Since you bi-directed this posting at me, I'll respond.
>> >I was not "after" the Organ Tech!, but his lack of analysis of this
>> >particular church situation. If he had ascertained the ambient temp/hum
>> that
>> >the church is "normally" at and achieved that before the final tuning of
>> the
>> >organ, I think that the organ would have been a little closer to A=440.
>> Part
>> >of the equation hasn't been discussed. Where Jeannie is, is right on the
>> >ocean. I suspect that while the organ tech was installing, etc.  the hall
>> >was kept at a comfortable level for his benefit. Once he finished, the
>> >church went back to it's normal habit of not heating or cooling. IMHO the
>> >organ tech should have a long conversation with the powers that be, at the
>> >church, and emphasize the importance of constant temp/Humid conditions.
>> >There lies the problem. My original comment was too short.(for that I
>> >apologize) The best thing is IMHO to get the organ tech to retune the
whole
>> >enchilada while the church is in it's normal temp/humid mode. Then, at
>> least
>> >Jeannie won't have to tune the piano 12-15cents sharp and possibly
more. If
>> >the organ "floats" a little sharp and a little flat, with the average at
>> >A=440, then it would be acceptable.
>> >Regards,
>> >Joe Garrett
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "jolly roger" <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca>
>> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:00 AM
>> >Subject: Re: Sharp organ
>




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